FW: The Engineering Problem

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Duross
Our state Code requires plans AND calculations be prepared when filing for permit. Don't most or all? So our various MEP's have gone and obtained hydraulic programs. In some (being generous here) cases, we have mediocre plans being supported by similar calculations. These are being prepared by

Re: FW: The Engineering Problem

2009-01-09 Thread Todd Williams
In MA the plans and calcs are required for building permit, but not necessarily in CT. Dots and lines on an outdated floor plan will suffice for that phase and the rest can come when the mechanical permit is required. Hey, but at least MA has the discipline right on their stamp; I wish all

RE: FW: The Engineering Problem

2009-01-09 Thread Tom Duross
Mostly Todd, but not always. The plans on my table have a mech stamp on them. Tree with 8 heads on one side, 10 on the other, 12' between heads and BL's and end heads 7' from the wall. Oh, and they mandate hard-piped armovers off the top. OK! Gotcha! More coffee Tom In MA the plans and

Re: The Engineering Problem

2009-01-09 Thread Roland Huggins
submitting that form will certainly help you vent BUT unless someone dies or something falls down, it's unlikely much will happen to the PE. At least based on relatively recent and granted only one state, but a PE rejected plans two of the many listed deficiencies were: you can not have

RE: The Engineering Problem

2009-01-09 Thread Mark Sornsin
:701. 280.8591 mark.sorn...@ulteig.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom Duross Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 4:30 AM To: Sprinklerforum Subject: FW: The Engineering Problem Our state Code

RE: The Engineering Problem

2009-01-09 Thread Mark Sornsin
- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:26 AM To: SprinklerFORUM Subject: Re: The Engineering Problem I suspect part of the problem is that the Board of registration is made up

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - thiswillbeinteresting)

2009-01-08 Thread George Church
Duross Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:46 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - thiswillbeinteresting) Did anyone notice a surge in MEP firms performing hydraulics in the past few years? Tom

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire -thiswillbeinteresting)

2009-01-08 Thread Craig.Prahl
[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tom Duross Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:46 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - thiswillbeinteresting) Did anyone notice a surge in MEP firms performing hydraulics in the past few

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting)

2009-01-08 Thread Thom McMahon
- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:32 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting) I love

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting)

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Leyton
-Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting)

2009-01-07 Thread Mark Sornsin
To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting) I think sprinklers are now known as 21.xx.xx (it's a six-place number system). We had it all figured out and then CSI went and TOTALLY mucked it all up. This, of course, is how they stay

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting)

2009-01-07 Thread Craig.Prahl
-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting) My final thoughts on this. (I Promise!) When you see spec.'s in Div 15 for fire

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting)

2009-01-07 Thread George Church
...@ch2m.com Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will beinteresting) Making the corporate train move takes a lot of effort, too many committees and others to push along to get the updates

The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting)

2009-01-06 Thread Mark Sornsin
or AHJs, bring up the engineering problem. Suggest they use someone else for fire protection on their next project. Teach them that sprinkler design is NOT a branch of plumbing design. Mark A. Sornsin, PE Fire Protection Engineer Ulteig Engineers, Inc. Fargo, ND Direct:701. 280.8591

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting)

2009-01-06 Thread Thom McMahon
: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting) Amen, Thom! As a member of the engineering community I completely agree. ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list http://lists.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting)

2009-01-06 Thread Steve Kowkabany
Fax -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:12 PM To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org' Subject: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting)

2009-01-06 Thread Todd Williams
Phone 904-212-0868 Fax -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mark Sornsin Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:12 PM To: 'sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org' Subject: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire