RE: Wall penetrations

2017-08-10 Thread Don Casey
In a prior life, the folks at Hilti have provided me ‘Engineered Judgements’ for installations that don’t fully comply with the UL listing. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Gary Stites Sent: 2017/08/10 11:28 AM To:

Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-10 Thread Roland Huggins
Did you contact Eddy Flow since they have a vested interest? Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > > From: Sprinklerforum

Re: Quick-Response Sprinklers in Storage/Extra Hazard

2017-08-10 Thread Roland Huggins
So what fire model did you use that will provide any degree off accuracy on fire control? Roland Huggins, PE - Senior VP Engineering American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Dallas, TX http://www.firesprinkler.org Fire Sprinklers Saves Lives > On Aug 9, 2017, at

Re: Wall penetrations

2017-08-10 Thread Gary Stites
Eddy flow told me to contact the firestop companies. I would think this would have come up before now. Quote: "We do not perform any fire penetration tests on our sprinkler pipe. Engineered Pipe (FLOW) has been manufactured for over 25 years. I would think 3M or others would have a fire rated

Re: Quick-Response Sprinklers in Storage/Extra Hazard

2017-08-10 Thread bcasterline
Thanks Roland. This was just an activation comparison based on the calc rules in 13 for EH. Some rules apply no matter what happens after activation. I don't consider the rules for EH and Storage to be interchangeable in this regard. EH sprinkler rules are mostly for SSU and SSP. Storage

RE: Whiskey in Wooden barrels

2017-08-10 Thread Thomas Reinhardt
Jim, You are correct NFPA and the IFC have nonapplicability exceptions. I did a power point on Distilleries and during my research I found out that the IBC does not recognize this exception. Try using table 307.1(1) of the IBC. I will try and send you my PowerPoint tomorrow. From:

RE: Whiskey in Wooden barrels

2017-08-10 Thread Smith, Steven D. (CSFD)
Tom, Would you send me a copy of your presentation as well? Thank you very much. Steve From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Reinhardt Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2017 2:56 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE:

Whiskey in Wooden barrels

2017-08-10 Thread James Crawford
We have been asked to look at protecting a small distillery that will be storing or aging in wooden barrels stored on multi row racking. As whiskey is more than 20% alcohol I assume we go to flammable liquids NFPA #30, but they have nothing for protecting product stored in wooden barrels.

Re: Whiskey in Wooden barrels

2017-08-10 Thread Tom Noble
I believe you can find criteria from the Distilled Spirits Council. Check them out here http://www.discus.org/policy/fireprotection/ Tom Noble American Fire Sprinkler Assn. Technical Programs Specialists http://www.firesprinkler.org > On Aug 10,

RE: Building Expansion Joints in NON-seismic Areas

2017-08-10 Thread Don Casey
Is there a structural PE on the project? I have worked on projects (in non-seismic areas) where the structural PE did not allow for piping to cross expansion joints and others where they required a flexible joint. These issues were more prominent in tall industrial buildings. One job in