RE: Water Supply

2008-09-30 Thread Steve Leyton
sprinklers and other code trade ups, but they still want to adhere to the old deferred submittal delivery system. Can't have your cake and eat it too, right? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Window Sprinklers

2008-10-01 Thread Steve Leyton
duration - Drucker, chime in now please) during which water is jetted against the subject and it can't fail. I think your assumption is correct that the surface is protected so long as the sprinkler(s) flow at their minimum required rate - 15 or 20 GPM depending on spacing. Steve Leyton Protection

RE: Window Sprinklers

2008-10-01 Thread Steve Leyton
Yes. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 8:10 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Window Sprinklers So the test

RE: Window Sprinklers

2008-10-01 Thread Steve Leyton
the integrity of the glass, hence the requirement for tempered glass. Check the data sheet for dimensional criteria for placement - it's pretty articulate. Distances toward/away from the glass and deflector position from top of glazing are all clearly shown in elevation and plan views. Steve Leyton

RE: Window Sprinklers

2008-10-01 Thread Steve Leyton
the studs and make room for the sprinklers that way. Infinite number of ways to solve this, really. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 12:16

RE: 2002 to 2007 code changes

2008-10-02 Thread Steve Leyton
Try to obtain a copy of the cycle documents - ROP/ROC. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:15 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

RE: Window Sprinklers

2008-10-03 Thread Steve Leyton
of fire caulk around the glazing on both sides. The frame and sealant are where the bid money goes, along with the costs of testing and listing of course. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: N-Shape RPZ's

2008-10-07 Thread Steve Leyton
Try the Wilkins 450/475 series. Same configuration, available with flanged or grooved ends and both OSY and butterfly valves, if I'm not mistaken. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: What does Rated Fire Flow mean to you

2008-10-20 Thread Steve Leyton
current projects the architect has us doing the fire main design as EOR for the sole reason that civil dropped the ball. There's a fine line between helping and giving away valuable information that could theoretically bite you in the butt later. It's actually an easy exercise but ... Steve

RE: Convention -was sizing expansion tanks

2008-10-23 Thread Steve Leyton
, but it's not an exaggeration to say that Terri and I spend at least 50% of our time on projects and issues and with clients that are a part of our business because of AFSA and particularly the ball that starting rolling at those conventions in the 90's. Steve Leyton

RE: Pitot Chart

2008-10-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Remember the second Star Wars movie, when Luke tells Yoda that he's not afraid? And Yoda says, You will be. You WILL be. Same thing, but the green midget doesn't come out until 1:36 in the AM. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From

RE: Building fails pressure test

2008-10-31 Thread Steve Leyton
. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Mark Hasenmyer Sent: Fri 10/31/2008 6:39 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Building fails pressure test The Class III is for occupant use; therefore adequate

RE: Standpipe system

2008-10-31 Thread Steve Leyton
for combined systems but IF you're requirement is for a standpipe system (as prescribed by CODE), then the answer is likely that the hose connections can't just be taken off the sprinkler piping.Unfortunately, it's not just a yes/no equation so the answer is conditional. Steve Leyton Protection

RE: Standpipe system

2008-11-01 Thread Steve Leyton
Mr. Fetter, you sure do ask a lot of stupid questions. Rosanne Rosanna-Danna Oh wait, it's the forum.Thought it was sent just to me. See below Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA (The following is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the opinion

RE: water test standards

2008-11-04 Thread Steve Leyton
provisions that hydraulic design be based on current (1 year) flow test data; as others have already said, the how-to is in 291. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Tuesday

RE: NFPA 13 .PDF

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Leyton
I believe that a PDF downloadable option is available for all of the standards individually at NFPA's web site, as well as via the subscription service. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Closets / cabinets

2008-11-05 Thread Steve Leyton
Does anyone know exactly when the Fire Triangle went 3D?? Can I just read it with Navis or do I need a drafting engine? I'm so confused ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf

RE: NFPA 13 .PDF

2008-11-06 Thread Steve Leyton
intellectual property. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of László Csonka Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 1:21 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: NFPA 13 .PDF I have NFPA 13

RE: Standpipe pipe schedule

2008-11-06 Thread Steve Leyton
the opinion or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and Hose Systems. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:51 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-06 Thread Steve Leyton
percent of its rated capacity. If the pump is rated 400 GPM and the demand is 222, that only represents 55% - well below the recommended 90% threshold, which would be 360 GPM. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Leyton
I wonder how many projects out there have been scrambled like eggs by the EOR ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 6:27 AM

RE: Fire Pump Suction

2008-11-07 Thread Steve Leyton
Sprinkler e-Bay. I don't need a pump right now, but I'll bid $65. How much is shipping? Ground will be fine. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Church Sent: Friday, November

RE: White papers and definition of roles

2008-11-10 Thread Steve Leyton
constructable.Sometimes, computer-aided design makes certain shapes and configurations possible that were unthinkable even 15 years ago. Any Frank Gehry project, for example ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: White papers and definition of roles

2008-11-11 Thread Steve Leyton
You usually get what you pay for; sometimes more, sometimes less. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Williams - FPDC Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:29 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: White papers and definition of roles and 3D and whatnot

2008-11-11 Thread Steve Leyton
. But there's a honeymoon period that we need to move on from, in which certain opportunistic engineers and CAD technicians are representing their services as something more - sometimes much more - than they can actually deliver. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original

RE: RB-64, Home Builders Assn. Letter and marriage counseling

2008-11-11 Thread Steve Leyton
nuts but every sprinkler will just so. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justin Reid Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:30 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: RB-64

RE: NFPA 14

2008-11-12 Thread Steve Leyton
for high-rise buildings that requires the connections in the smoke-proof enclosures or stairs, you have no choice. The foregoing is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the opinion or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and Hose Systems. Steve Leyton Protection Design

RE: Ideal World - What info would you want from a PE

2008-11-12 Thread Steve Leyton
He's actually referring to one of our projects, but who's keeping score ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 2:24 PM

RE: Ideal World - What info would you want from a PE

2008-11-12 Thread Steve Leyton
. We've got their back on the front side and we are able to deliver a design exactly tailored to their preferences as far as joining methods, types and make of sprinklers, etc. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto

RE: Seismic information Brownsville, TX - Monterrey, MX

2008-11-14 Thread Steve Leyton
. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 6:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Seismic information Brownsville, TX

RE: Seismic information Brownsville, TX - Monterrey, MX

2008-11-14 Thread Steve Leyton
Thanks should actually go to Ken Wagoner, from whom I initially got the USGS dope ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:56 AM

RE: inspection reports and copying fire marshals

2008-11-14 Thread Steve Leyton
in a public venue, where the district's superintendant and counsel will have a chance to hear what a myopic moron you really are. Sign it, Your pal, Forest Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rod

RE: Man made reservoir to be used for fire protection?

2008-11-20 Thread Steve Leyton
. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Splawn, Shannon Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 12:14 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Man made reservoir to be used for fire

RE: Collapsing File Storage System

2008-11-21 Thread Steve Leyton
Another failed coordination scenario. Can the ceiling be raised so that 18 clear is possible? Or taken out of the space? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Johnson, Duane (NIH/OD

RE: FM Testing for Wooden Moving Crates

2008-11-21 Thread Steve Leyton
, to help assure AHJ's that dangerous or prohibited materials aren't packed. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 10:59 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: FM Testing for Wooden Moving Crates

2008-11-21 Thread Steve Leyton
of container that is made of rigid plastic or polymer, but I can't tell which and the manufacturer was no help at all on this last project. These are used for transoceanic shipping and in this case, the owner agreed to store them outside. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: variable public water supply

2008-11-29 Thread Steve Leyton
. It was awesome. Finally decided with the FD to go with 95 static and 90 residual at this ridiculous flow rate of 1700-something (ridiculous for a 2.5 port, I mean).Took 10% off and called it a day. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From

RE: Dry standpipe=Dry system?

2008-12-01 Thread Steve Leyton
I'm not familiar with the listings and wasn't following the thread that closely. Since the standard is mute, I'm gonna cop out on this one - has anyone contacted Tyco tech support? But to me, what you summarized makes sense. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: Fire Pump Controller

2008-12-08 Thread Steve Leyton
to the fire pump and that under Disconnecting Means, (3) says that the disconnect shall not arranged in other equipment.Not sure how/why they would want to do it combined anyway - the savings are nil and the complications potentially very expensive and intrusive. Steve Leyton Protection Design

RE: This week's discovery

2008-12-08 Thread Steve Leyton
Sorry Craig, but that takes a back seat to Smell THIS ... Mr. Muncy, I apologize for making fun of the Forum and be with the starving pygmies down there in New Guinea. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: Hi Rise Secondary Source ... again

2008-12-11 Thread Steve Leyton
You consider the sprinkler demand including hose streams by the required duration in minutes and compare to the required standpipe demand and size the tank for the greater of the two. Since high-rise buildings are nearly all light and ordinary hazards, the standpipes will be more demanding

FPE Software

2008-12-23 Thread Steve Leyton
Does anyone know the whereabouts of Mark Lentocha of FPE Software? His phone numbers are all still active and his e-mail doesn't bounce. I was surprised he wasn't at the DC exhibit and I haven't been able reach him in several weeks. Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 8849-B Complex

RE: pipe schedule standpipe

2008-12-24 Thread Steve Leyton
or intent of the NFPA 14 Technical Committee on Standpipe and Hose Systems. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent

RE: Movie studio classification

2009-01-05 Thread Steve Leyton
, and an added California Chapter 46 in the Fire Code. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 10:24 AM

RE: fire pump room requirement

2009-01-05 Thread Steve Leyton
What edition of 20 are they using? Latest will also require that the separate room be fire rated ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf

RE: UFC Fire Sprinkler Requirements

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Leyton
override the allowances for additional area and the extra story for a 13R system, and require a 13 design regardless of what's in Chapter 5 of the referenced edition of the building code. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: The Engineering Problem (RE: another fire - this will be interesting)

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Leyton
I think sprinklers are now known as 21.xx.xx (it's a six-place number system). We had it all figured out and then CSI went and TOTALLY mucked it all up. This, of course, is how they stay in business and keep selling MasterFormat. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: Sprinkler system interconnection to domestic waste pipe

2009-01-09 Thread Steve Leyton
in the plumbing world, and if you are prohibited (as we are in much of California now) from discharging to storm, these are simple solutions. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum

RE: Sprinklered vs. Sprinkled

2009-01-15 Thread Steve Leyton
, NEVER used the term sprinkled since then and I think of my old boss every time I hear someone say sprinkled. I'm tearing up just thinking about it ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Sprinklered vs. Sprinkled

2009-01-15 Thread Steve Leyton
You might want to text a friend to share your power ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Thursday, January 15

FW: [EPARADE] Link to final Charleston FD Report

2009-01-15 Thread Steve Leyton
Fire Chief Magazine has posted a copy of the Charleston Sofa Super Store Fatality Investigation Report, for those who are interested. http://firechief.com/images/charleston_report_0508.pdf Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 8849-B Complex Drive San Diego, CA 92123

Firematic

2009-01-15 Thread Steve Leyton
anyone ever seen another manufacturer's cover plate with this type of pattern? And if you'd like to see a scan of the tech data sheet for the Firematic Model A Concealed sprinkler, please e-mail me off-Forum. Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 8849-B Complex Drive San Diego, CA

RE: Threat to the 2009 IRC

2009-01-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Mark is likely putting together a comprehensive data base that could be used by pro-sprinkler forces as part of an articulate comprehensive effort to defend the code change. Dave's trying to put the pins back into a few maverick extinguishers ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San

RE: Waster Mist questions

2009-01-29 Thread Steve Leyton
that the sky is falling, every time we propose to lift or modify the 350 PSI pressure limit in standpipe systems, I look forward to learning the miracle of 1200 PSI normal working pressure design. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From

RE: Waster Mist questions

2009-01-30 Thread Steve Leyton
My understanding of that system is that it's 2500 CUBIC Ft. per emitter. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Friday

One building/one riser - location?

2009-02-02 Thread Steve Leyton
. Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 8849-B Complex Drive San Diego, CA 92123 - Ph: 858.751.2930 - ext. 102 Fax:858.751.2933 Cell: 619.972.5696

RE: One building/one riser - location?

2009-02-02 Thread Steve Leyton
Dude! Thanks ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:48 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: - prescriptions against soft-start pumps in NFPA water supplies..

2009-02-02 Thread Steve Leyton
that the equipment maintains as it ramps the flows up or down with demand. One feature works at the very beginning and/or end of a run cycle, and the other one during the cycle. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: CEILING CLOUDS - AGAIN

2009-02-06 Thread Steve Leyton
. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of t...@fpdc.com Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:21 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re

RE: CEILING CLOUDS - AGAIN

2009-02-06 Thread Steve Leyton
and say no reduction of the design area for QR, just to be on the safe side ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent

RE: 13R ATTIC Protection

2009-02-07 Thread Steve Leyton
that gets protected per 13. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Thom McMahon Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 11:57 AM To: sprinklerforum

RE: 13R ATTIC Protection

2009-02-09 Thread Steve Leyton
draft=stopping a much more attractive alternative if you had to use anti-freeze or dry pipe, or if it meant the difference between pump/no pump. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum

RE: keith Delivery Status Notification(Failure)

2009-02-09 Thread Steve Leyton
Terri and I got 'em too. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of craig.pr...@ch2m.com Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:47 PM

RE: Information regarding Beijing's The Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire

2009-02-11 Thread Steve Leyton
A point that was made on the EPARADE fire marshal's list was that bamboo scaffolding is still the norm in China. Anyone know if they've ruled out ancillary structures yet? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Information regarding Beijing's The Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire

2009-02-11 Thread Steve Leyton
Looks like a grid structure, as might be used to mount EFIS or cement panels or other building skin system. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: ESFR Systems

2009-02-12 Thread Steve Leyton
And also maximum distance from the commodity? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 11

RE: ESFR and Smoke Vents

2009-02-17 Thread Steve Leyton
for the use and occupancy of the building in which they are installed is so ridiculously reliable that I'm having a hard time justifying this thread in the AFSA Forum ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: ***SPAMTAGPTD: Re: leak statistic

2009-02-18 Thread Steve Leyton
impediment to affordable residential sprinkler systems, along with haywire AHJ requirements for sprinklered attics and OH garages. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: leak statistic now NAHB

2009-02-19 Thread Steve Leyton
been said by both sides over the past 10 years and let's get down to the task of convincing water purveyors to sell us the required water supplies and service connections at FAIR value. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Unlisted pumps

2009-02-19 Thread Steve Leyton
and sometimes double-redundant backup systems. For those that don't, it underscores exactly why it's critical that the most reliable pump possible, i.e. a listed fire pump, should be installed on every private system. You can also tell him I said he's an idiot. Steve Leyton Protection Design

RE: leak statistic now NAHB

2009-02-19 Thread Steve Leyton
from that; we need to redefine a sprinklered 1 meter as it may occur at a 2,000 SF home on a small lot, as compared to a conventional 1 service that may serve a 6,000 SF home on an acre lot, which will regularly consume a LOT more water. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: Residential systems in California

2009-02-19 Thread Steve Leyton
The 13D/13R committee has adopted a new definition for Passive Purge systems. See the ROC for more information. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Residential systems in California

2009-02-20 Thread Steve Leyton
not rocket science. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 7:13 PM To: sprinklerforum

RE: Residential systems in California

2009-02-20 Thread Steve Leyton
by ICC for the plumbing code standards pursuant to the IRC code changes. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: Friday

RE: Residential systems in California

2009-02-20 Thread Steve Leyton
Yes Todd it is just math, and if he ever sees the light of day again in his life, I bet Bernie could become a residential designer himself someday. Steve -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of

RE: Residential systems in California

2009-02-22 Thread Steve Leyton
are, you're not factoring that the homebuilding community is biased toward consolidated purchasing patterns. If they can one-stop-shop for everything wet, they'll give it a long hard look, believe me. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From

RE: PE Peer Review

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Leyton
Never mind the CO, how valuable is all of this brain power?? As a consultant, I make my living in part by advising clients based on my (supposed) expertise; this thread here is worth a thousand bucks an hour ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message

RE: PE Peer Review

2009-02-25 Thread Steve Leyton
Or as someone else pointed out, I'll be happy to provide the larger design area and the increase in pipe sizes for this much . Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Job Description - Design Manager

2009-02-26 Thread Steve Leyton
How about last man or woman left standing? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Peterson Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:26 AM

RE: PE Registration Board Action

2009-02-26 Thread Steve Leyton
Dopey George. I sent him an e-mail yesterday suggesting that from now on, instead of using the term bulls$#t, we substitute with Pelosi. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: PE Peer Review

2009-02-26 Thread Steve Leyton
George can't group hug without hurting his back or getting on his knees. Of course, in this economy he might benefit from a little practice ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Pelosi

2009-02-28 Thread Steve Leyton
credit lines was frozen because the lender, for reasons unknown to everyone else in the world, thought it would be a good idea to buy Countrywide Mortgage and Merrill Lynch. We all have to pull together, that's for sure ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: Vertical Turbine Fire Pump

2009-03-02 Thread Steve Leyton
NFPA 20, 2007 ed., Figure A.7.2.2.2. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joe Burtell Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 12:24 PM

Alabama PE requirements

2009-03-03 Thread Steve Leyton
designs for submittal/permit/construction? 2) If yes, what class of engineer may do so - ME, FPE, other? 3) If yes, I would appreciate a referral to a qualified PE with whom we could partner on this project. Thanks, Steve Leyton PROTECTION DESIGN CONSULTING 8849-B Complex Drive

RE: Indoor Squash court

2009-03-04 Thread Steve Leyton
Check out the new Tyco RAVEN sprinkler. Upsides: VERY durable and a locking escutcheon. Designed specifically to withstand efforts to pick it apart, including blunt force. Downside: $24 each street pricing. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message

RE: domestic demand

2009-03-04 Thread Steve Leyton
with which sprinkler system or zone thereof protects their homes. The foregoing is my opinion only and does not necessarily represent the opinion or intent of the NFPA 13D/13R Technical Committee on Residential Sprinkler Systems. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: Wow, that's quite a sprinkler!

2009-03-05 Thread Steve Leyton
The velocity limits myth has pretty much been debunked, however ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bver...@comcast.net Sent

RE: Test/Drain at the Riser

2009-03-09 Thread Steve Leyton
sink and a 3 or 4 self-priming trap depending on whether the main drain is 1 1/4 or 2. A 10x10x12 sink works well too on the smaller connections. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org

RE: Test/Drain at the Riser

2009-03-09 Thread Steve Leyton
legitimately debate whether 5 minutes is a good number (most AHJ's don't, as evidenced by policies requiring 60-90 seconds nationwide), but I think that's a pretty clear summation of the TC's intent regarding the location of the ITC ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA

RE: Test/Drain at the Riser

2009-03-09 Thread Steve Leyton
. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Rodney Hamm Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 3:25 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE

RE: Test/Drain at the Riser

2009-03-10 Thread Steve Leyton
, then they need to be addressed by air/pressure relief or other approved means, but that the purpose of an ITC is NOT to relieve or move water through a system. It doesn't say that in so many words, but it's a subintelligitur, if you know what I mean. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San

RE: Mixed-Use Code Question

2009-03-13 Thread Steve Leyton
What we've done in the past is provide OH-2 at the lower (commercial) level to allow for retail and then residential above. But the entire design has been per 13, albeit with the residential provisions of the standard. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original

RE: Seismic - NFA 13 vs IBC

2009-03-13 Thread Steve Leyton
we do these days. It is NOT the intent of the IBC to make special considerations for sprinkler systems, which is why the code specifically references NFPA 13 in Chapter 9. IMHO. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Seismic - NFA 13 vs IBC

2009-03-13 Thread Steve Leyton
of the supplement (page 132 of the PDF). Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Joe Powell Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 1:00 PM

RE: Mixed-Use Code Question

2009-03-13 Thread Steve Leyton
). Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ron Greenman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 12:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Mixed

RE: Excessive system pressure

2009-03-22 Thread Steve Leyton
to test. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Rodney Hamm Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:13 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org

RE: Possible IBC question

2009-03-23 Thread Steve Leyton
turned me onto that - saved us a lot of bitchin' and pissin' with the AHJ on that particular project. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf

RE: side by side standpipes

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Leyton
from one stair to the other, they are separate stairs, even if they're in the same shaft. The selection of intermediate or floor-level landings is as approved by the AHJ. Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: side by side standpipes

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Leyton
of the code, a convenience stair. The three required exits are all conventional shafts and scattered around the building. I can show you plenty more where that one came from ... Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun

RE: Does NFPA 13 require as-built drawings

2009-03-25 Thread Steve Leyton
Hey George, can I make a proposal to a standard that's not adopted yet? Steve Leyton Protection Design Consulting San Diego, CA -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of larryshulman Sent

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