RE: [EXTERNAL] Captive Aire Systems

2019-08-14 Thread Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G via Sprinklerforum 
That makes sense.  We’ve had a few AHJs that have made us flow one of these
in conjunction with the overhead system.  There is just no criteria by the
manufacturer on how it is supposed to go.  That is where the challenge
comes.

 

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From: Kyle.Montgomery  
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2019 3:27 PM
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Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Captive Aire Systems

 

I’ve always been under the impression that these are treated separately from
the overhead sprinkler system, i.e. either the fire is in the hood and
controlled by the hood system, or it is outside of the hood and controlled
by the sprinkler system. I’ve never considered them as working in
conjunction with each other.

 

The only time I’ve ever really done anything other than provide an outlet to
connect to was when some of the systems had a maximum working pressure that
was lower than the system operating pressure, so we had to provide a
pressure-reducing valve on the feed and guarantee that the system could
provide flows/pressures within a certain range.

 

I’m definitely not an expert though.

 

-Kyle M

 

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Captive Aire Systems

 

I’m sure some of you have dealt with these Captive Aire / Piranha systems.
Basically they are hood systems that connect to the sprinkler system.  The
one I have a data sheet for has an operating pressure of 32-70 psi and flows
vary depending on # of nozzles.  How do those of you dealing with these
handle them?  The supplier will not do any calculations for the system.  My
question is, do we treat these like a “rack” system and balance the hood
systems to the overhead?  If I have a kitchen with 3 of these, do I figure
0, 1, 2 or 3 flowing simultaneously with the overhead.  As you can imagine,
a standard sprinkler in the kitchen is ±10 psi.  Now, if we have to treat
this like a rack system and balance at the junction point, this 30 psi for
the Piranha system will significantly over-discharge the sprinklers leading
to a much larger kitchen demand.  These often seem to be brought up toward
the end of the project leaving everyone scrambling.

 

What has the collective group been doing with these things?

 

 
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RE: [EXTERNAL] Captive Aire Systems

2019-08-14 Thread Kyle.Montgomery via Sprinklerforum 
I've always been under the impression that these are treated separately from 
the overhead sprinkler system, i.e. either the fire is in the hood and 
controlled by the hood system, or it is outside of the hood and controlled by 
the sprinkler system. I've never considered them as working in conjunction with 
each other.

The only time I've ever really done anything other than provide an outlet to 
connect to was when some of the systems had a maximum working pressure that was 
lower than the system operating pressure, so we had to provide a 
pressure-reducing valve on the feed and guarantee that the system could provide 
flows/pressures within a certain range.

I'm definitely not an expert though.

-Kyle M

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Cc: Travis Mack, SET, CFPS, CWBSP, RME-G 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Captive Aire Systems

I'm sure some of you have dealt with these Captive Aire / Piranha systems.  
Basically they are hood systems that connect to the sprinkler system.  The one 
I have a data sheet for has an operating pressure of 32-70 psi and flows vary 
depending on # of nozzles.  How do those of you dealing with these handle them? 
 The supplier will not do any calculations for the system.  My question is, do 
we treat these like a "rack" system and balance the hood systems to the 
overhead?  If I have a kitchen with 3 of these, do I figure 0, 1, 2 or 3 
flowing simultaneously with the overhead.  As you can imagine, a standard 
sprinkler in the kitchen is ±10 psi.  Now, if we have to treat this like a rack 
system and balance at the junction point, this 30 psi for the Piranha system 
will significantly over-discharge the sprinklers leading to a much larger 
kitchen demand.  These often seem to be brought up toward the end of the 
project leaving everyone scrambling.

What has the collective group been doing with these things?

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Gilbert, AZ 85298
480-505-9271
fax: 866-430-6107
tm...@mfpdesign.com
www.mfpdesign.com

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