Re: Abuse of 13D?

Single lead in. I do you mean a single tap at the main? At some point I’d expect a ‘T’. I assume separate meters are required. The water agencies want you to individually pay, so you’ll use less. Isn’t this the norm nationally? Best. Bruce Verhei > On Feb 9, 2018, at 12:08, Parsley

RE: Re: Abuse of 13D?

st savings in building >materials pays for the added sprinklers in the typical 2-car garage. > >[Steve Signature (3)] > >From: Sprinklerforum >[mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of >John Irwin >Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 1:23 PM >To: sprinklerforum@lis

Re: Abuse of 13D?

If Florida code is going to call a garage for a duplex an S2 occupancy, do you then have to design to OH1 and a 1-hour duration? And Bruce's question too? Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.com 253.576.9700 The Universe is monstrously indifferent to the presence of man. -Werner Herzog,

RE: Re: Abuse of 13D?

@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Abuse of 13D? More information : Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level is S-2. The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public parking garage and when enclosed (which this is) requires protection. Additionally S occupencies located below

Re: Abuse of 13D?

Ken, your first point - yes, but on your second point, the closets don't have to be exterior - I'm referencing the first exemption 'closets in garages' and not the second 'closets on exterior balconies.' I think the point is that if you don't have to sprinkler garages then you likewise wouldn't

Re: Abuse of 13D?

Why R-2? Bruce > On Feb 9, 2018, at 12:22, John Irwin wrote: > > More information : > > Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level is S-2. > The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public parking garage > and when enclosed

Re: Abuse of 13D?

More information : Code analysis says the residential area are R-2 and the Parking level is S-2. The Florida Building Code seems to indicate S-2 as a public parking garage and when enclosed (which this is) requires protection. Additionally S occupencies located below any other type of occupied

Re: Abuse of 13D?

I'm not sure the reference to 8.3.8 would apply. First, John mentioned he was working with the 2010 edition of 13D. That edition doesn't contain this language. Second, if John were working with the '16 edition then 8.3.8 would not apply in my opinion as the "storage areas" are not exterior,

Re: Abuse of 13D?

John, why don't we take this in pieces to see how it shakes out. * "This is the garage level of a two family home." o By the title of the standard, "Standard for the Installation of Sprinkler Systems in One- and Two- Family Dwellings and Manufactured Homes" it would seem at

Re: Abuse of 13D?

If it's a 13D system then: 13D 8.3.8Sprinklers shall not be required in closets in garages and exterior closets (regardless of size) located on exterior balconies, exterior breezeways/corridors, or accessed from outdoors where the closet does not have doors or unprotected penetrations directly

RE: Abuse of 13D?

I’m referencing the 2013 Edition of 13D. 1.2.2 A sprinkler system shall be designed and installed in accordance with this standard to prevent flashover (total involvement) in the room of the fire origin, where sprinklered, and to improve the chance for occupants to escape or be evacuated.

RE: Abuse of 13D?

This is pretty cut and dry here in Nor Cal. We have to sprinkler garages for most of our homes due to local AHJ requirements.  Even if you sprinkler the garage, still seems like 13D to me. Paul B. Cetani Exec. Vice President Nor Cal Fire, Inc. 16840 Joleen Way, Bldg A Morgan Hill, CA 95037 T