Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Ralf Junker]

On 27.04.2012 15:08, Gabriel Corneanu wrote:

> With the amalgamation, it's also quite easy to compile to one obj and
> link directly in Delphi (similar to jpeg; that's probably what you also
> do). No pun intended, why should I pay for it?

- DISQLite3 Personal edition if free!

- DISQLite3 is 64-bit and you are looking for 64-bit SQLite.

- DISQLite3 is *not* compiled from the amalgamation. This enables
Delphi's smart linking by excluding unused features like FTS, RTree,
etc. Your application file size shrinks.

- DISQLite3 contains the *complete* SQLite3 API, not only those most
commonly used. It also includes extensions not part of sqlite3.dll.

- DISQLite3 is well tested before each release. New APIs and
functionality are added to the internal DUnit test suite. Problems are
reported back to the SQLite community.

- DISQLite3 uses fastcall / register calling conventions and Delphi's
internal memory manager. This makes it faster then sqlite3.dll.

- DISQLite3 is regularly updated. This saves you from maintaining your
own, local API translations so you can focus on your application.

Ralf
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Mircea Neacsu]

Off-topic: what do I need to do for a proper reply??
Depends on your email client (I see you are using Opera Mail which I 
don't know). In general it should include the "In-Reply-To" and 
"References" header.


Mircea

On 27/04/2012 9:08 AM, Gabriel Corneanu wrote:

I read about it, but I prefer to use dll binding.
With the amalgamation, it's also quite easy to compile to one obj and 
link directly in Delphi (similar to jpeg; that's probably what you 
also do). No pun intended, why should I pay for it?


Off-topic: what do I need to do for a proper reply??

Gabriel
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Gabriel Corneanu]

I read about it, but I prefer to use dll binding.
With the amalgamation, it's also quite easy to compile to one obj and link  
directly in Delphi (similar to jpeg; that's probably what you also do). No  
pun intended, why should I pay for it?


Off-topic: what do I need to do for a proper reply??

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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Ralf Junker]

On 27.04.2012 11:38, Gabriel Corneanu wrote:

> There is one more reason to use DLLs, I'm surprised noone mentioned it.
> What if you don't use C??? (I use myself Delphi with a header conversion).

DISQLite3 compiles right into your Delphi application. Both 32-bit and
64-bit supported:

  http://www.yunqa.de/delphi/doku.php/products/sqlite3/index

Ralf
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Gabriel Corneanu]

There is one more reason to use DLLs, I'm surprised noone mentioned it.
What if you don't use C??? (I use myself Delphi with a header conversion).

Gabriel

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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Mircea Neacsu]

Yes, that's the one.

Hmm, so you say that I'm safe if I statically link SQLITE in each of my 
modules... goes a bit against my reflexes (paraphrasing an old saying: 1 
MB here 1 MB there; soon you start talking real memory bloating) but 
I'll give it a thought.


Thanks again,

Mircea

On 23/04/2012 10:01 PM, Pavel Ivanov wrote:

I've also read Richard Hipp's
advice about potential issues if multiple threads of the same process access
the same DB so I figured I'd be safer if I have just one SQLITE module

I guess you refer to this Richard's advice:
http://www.mail-archive.com/sqlite-users@sqlite.org/msg69579.html.
Note that it's related only to Linux and its POSIX advisory file
locks. Windows works differently and on Windows SQLite uses different
locks (in fact Windows doesn't have POSIX locks at all). And I believe
Windows doesn't have such multi-threading vs locking problem Linux
has.


Pavel


On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Mircea Neacsu  wrote:

Thanks everyone for your answers. Man, this list is one of the most helpful
places to hang out in the whole wide web; full of friendly and knowledgeable
advice - reminds me of the Usenet of the 80-es.

@Michel:


Is there a reason you can't just compile it into your program instead of
using it as a DLL?

This is part of the reason and also I have a program and a couple of it's
DLL-es each using SQLITE on the same DB. I've also read Richard Hipp's
advice about potential issues if multiple threads of the same process access
the same DB so I figured I'd be safer if I have just one SQLITE module (yes,
each DLL and the main exe run separate threads).

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mircea


On 23/04/2012 4:20 PM, Black, Michael (IS) wrote:

Is there a reason you can't just compile it into your program instead of
using it as a DLL?

Are you distributing multiple executables that would actually take
advantage of that?

It's under 1Meg as it's not much by today's standards.



Seems to me we've heard more than one person with DLL problems on this
list.



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Subject: EXT :Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

Thanks everyone,

@Roger:

Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
be issues?

No, I just haven't seen any pre-compiled binaries and wanted to save
myself some trouble in case there are any known issues. I'll just go
ahead and make myself one.

One more thing if I may: if I need to distribute both 64 and 32 bit DLL
versions is there a "canonical" file name I should use?


Mircea


On 23/04/2012 3:56 PM, Roger Binns wrote:

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Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a
64-bit DLL?

Yes - I use it as both 32 bit and 64 bit on non-Windows platforms.  On
Windows I also do 32 and 64 bit.  I've only done the Windows 64 bit with
Microsoft compilers, but 32 bit with both MinGW and Microsoft.

Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
be issues?

Roger
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Pavel Ivanov]

> I've also read Richard Hipp's
> advice about potential issues if multiple threads of the same process access
> the same DB so I figured I'd be safer if I have just one SQLITE module

I guess you refer to this Richard's advice:
http://www.mail-archive.com/sqlite-users@sqlite.org/msg69579.html.
Note that it's related only to Linux and its POSIX advisory file
locks. Windows works differently and on Windows SQLite uses different
locks (in fact Windows doesn't have POSIX locks at all). And I believe
Windows doesn't have such multi-threading vs locking problem Linux
has.


Pavel


On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Mircea Neacsu  wrote:
> Thanks everyone for your answers. Man, this list is one of the most helpful
> places to hang out in the whole wide web; full of friendly and knowledgeable
> advice - reminds me of the Usenet of the 80-es.
>
> @Michel:
>
>> Is there a reason you can't just compile it into your program instead of
>> using it as a DLL?
>
> This is part of the reason and also I have a program and a couple of it's
> DLL-es each using SQLITE on the same DB. I've also read Richard Hipp's
> advice about potential issues if multiple threads of the same process access
> the same DB so I figured I'd be safer if I have just one SQLITE module (yes,
> each DLL and the main exe run separate threads).
>
> Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Mircea
>
>
> On 23/04/2012 4:20 PM, Black, Michael (IS) wrote:
>>
>> Is there a reason you can't just compile it into your program instead of
>> using it as a DLL?
>>
>> Are you distributing multiple executables that would actually take
>> advantage of that?
>>
>> It's under 1Meg as it's not much by today's standards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Seems to me we've heard more than one person with DLL problems on this
>> list.
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael D. Black
>>
>> Senior Scientist
>>
>> Advanced Analytics Directorate
>>
>> Advanced GEOINT Solutions Operating Unit
>>
>> Northrop Grumman Information Systems
>>
>> 
>> From: sqlite-users-boun...@sqlite.org [sqlite-users-boun...@sqlite.org] on
>> behalf of Mircea Neacsu [mir...@neacsu.net]
>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:12 PM
>> To: sqlite-users@sqlite.org
>> Subject: EXT :Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version
>>
>> Thanks everyone,
>>
>> @Roger:
>>>
>>> Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
>>> be issues?
>>
>> No, I just haven't seen any pre-compiled binaries and wanted to save
>> myself some trouble in case there are any known issues. I'll just go
>> ahead and make myself one.
>>
>> One more thing if I may: if I need to distribute both 64 and 32 bit DLL
>> versions is there a "canonical" file name I should use?
>>
>>
>> Mircea
>>
>>
>> On 23/04/2012 3:56 PM, Roger Binns wrote:
>>>
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>>> On 23/04/12 11:12, Mircea Neacsu wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a
>>>> 64-bit DLL?
>>>
>>> Yes - I use it as both 32 bit and 64 bit on non-Windows platforms.  On
>>> Windows I also do 32 and 64 bit.  I've only done the Windows 64 bit with
>>> Microsoft compilers, but 32 bit with both MinGW and Microsoft.
>>>
>>> Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
>>> be issues?
>>>
>>> Roger
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Mircea Neacsu]

Thanks everyone for your answers. Man, this list is one of the most 
helpful places to hang out in the whole wide web; full of friendly and 
knowledgeable advice - reminds me of the Usenet of the 80-es.


@Michel:

Is there a reason you can't just compile it into your program instead of using 
it as a DLL?
This is part of the reason and also I have a program and a couple of 
it's DLL-es each using SQLITE on the same DB. I've also read Richard 
Hipp's advice about potential issues if multiple threads of the same 
process access the same DB so I figured I'd be safer if I have just one 
SQLITE module (yes, each DLL and the main exe run separate threads).


Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mircea

On 23/04/2012 4:20 PM, Black, Michael (IS) wrote:

Is there a reason you can't just compile it into your program instead of using 
it as a DLL?

Are you distributing multiple executables that would actually take advantage of 
that?

It's under 1Meg as it's not much by today's standards.



Seems to me we've heard more than one person with DLL problems on this list.



Michael D. Black

Senior Scientist

Advanced Analytics Directorate

Advanced GEOINT Solutions Operating Unit

Northrop Grumman Information Systems


From: sqlite-users-boun...@sqlite.org [sqlite-users-boun...@sqlite.org] on 
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Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 3:12 PM
To: sqlite-users@sqlite.org
Subject: EXT :Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

Thanks everyone,

@Roger:

Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
be issues?

No, I just haven't seen any pre-compiled binaries and wanted to save
myself some trouble in case there are any known issues. I'll just go
ahead and make myself one.

One more thing if I may: if I need to distribute both 64 and 32 bit DLL
versions is there a "canonical" file name I should use?


Mircea


On 23/04/2012 3:56 PM, Roger Binns wrote:

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On 23/04/12 11:12, Mircea Neacsu wrote:

Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a
64-bit DLL?

Yes - I use it as both 32 bit and 64 bit on non-Windows platforms.  On
Windows I also do 32 and 64 bit.  I've only done the Windows 64 bit with
Microsoft compilers, but 32 bit with both MinGW and Microsoft.

Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
be issues?

Roger
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Simon Slavin]

On 23 Apr 2012, at 10:06pm, Roger Binns  wrote:

> I think what is confusing Windows developers is that they go to the
> download page and can find 32 bit downloads, but no 64 bit downloads and
> hence come to the conclusion there must be some sort of unspecified issue.
> 
> It is probably worthwhile putting a paragraph like the following at the
> top of the binary downloads:
> 
>  It is far more convenient to include the SQLite amalgamation directly
> into your application where you can control compilation options, versions
> and builds (eg 32 or 64 bit).  The precompiled binaries below are for some
> additional tools and those who do not have access to a compiler.

Agreed.  I'd go even further by titling it and addressing it very obviously to 
anyone looking for a DLL to download.  Looking for a DLL is a natural thing for 
a Windows developer to do.  That's what you do for libraries: find an existing 
DLL that the authors provided.  SQLite is extremely unusual in that it was 
designed from the ground up to be suited for compiling the source code into 
your own project.

(In case it's not clear from the above, I really like the way SQLite does that, 
and I'd be happiest if in fact there was /no/ precompiled DLL available on the 
SQLite site.  I think a lot of the posts to this list are caused by DLL-related 
problems which would never happen if there were clear instructions instead for 
compiling the amalgamation into the most popular versions of the 'Studio' IDE.)

Simon.
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

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On 23/04/12 13:33, Richard Hipp wrote:
> A 64-bit build of SQLite on windows is one of our test cases.  (See
> checklist item 9f
> ).

I think what is confusing Windows developers is that they go to the
download page and can find 32 bit downloads, but no 64 bit downloads and
hence come to the conclusion there must be some sort of unspecified issue.

It is probably worthwhile putting a paragraph like the following at the
top of the binary downloads:

  It is far more convenient to include the SQLite amalgamation directly
into your application where you can control compilation options, versions
and builds (eg 32 or 64 bit).  The precompiled binaries below are for some
additional tools and those who do not have access to a compiler.

Roger
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Richard Hipp]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Mircea Neacsu  wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a
> 64-bit DLL?
>

A 64-bit build of SQLite on windows is one of our test cases.  (See checklist
item 9f ).


>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Black, Michael (IS)]

Is there a reason you can't just compile it into your program instead of using 
it as a DLL?

Are you distributing multiple executables that would actually take advantage of 
that?

It's under 1Meg as it's not much by today's standards.



Seems to me we've heard more than one person with DLL problems on this list.



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Northrop Grumman Information Systems


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Subject: EXT :Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

Thanks everyone,

@Roger:
> Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
> be issues?
No, I just haven't seen any pre-compiled binaries and wanted to save
myself some trouble in case there are any known issues. I'll just go
ahead and make myself one.

One more thing if I may: if I need to distribute both 64 and 32 bit DLL
versions is there a "canonical" file name I should use?


Mircea


On 23/04/2012 3:56 PM, Roger Binns wrote:
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> On 23/04/12 11:12, Mircea Neacsu wrote:
>> Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a
>> 64-bit DLL?
> Yes - I use it as both 32 bit and 64 bit on non-Windows platforms.  On
> Windows I also do 32 and 64 bit.  I've only done the Windows 64 bit with
> Microsoft compilers, but 32 bit with both MinGW and Microsoft.
>
> Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
> be issues?
>
> Roger
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Mircea Neacsu]

Thanks everyone,

@Roger:

Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
be issues?
No, I just haven't seen any pre-compiled binaries and wanted to save 
myself some trouble in case there are any known issues. I'll just go 
ahead and make myself one.


One more thing if I may: if I need to distribute both 64 and 32 bit DLL 
versions is there a "canonical" file name I should use?



Mircea


On 23/04/2012 3:56 PM, Roger Binns wrote:

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On 23/04/12 11:12, Mircea Neacsu wrote:

Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a
64-bit DLL?

Yes - I use it as both 32 bit and 64 bit on non-Windows platforms.  On
Windows I also do 32 and 64 bit.  I've only done the Windows 64 bit with
Microsoft compilers, but 32 bit with both MinGW and Microsoft.

Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
be issues?

Roger
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Roger Binns]

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On 23/04/12 11:12, Mircea Neacsu wrote:
> Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a
> 64-bit DLL?

Yes - I use it as both 32 bit and 64 bit on non-Windows platforms.  On
Windows I also do 32 and 64 bit.  I've only done the Windows 64 bit with
Microsoft compilers, but 32 bit with both MinGW and Microsoft.

Is there anything that lead you to believe it wouldn't work or there may
be issues?

Roger
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Re: [sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[John Drescher]

> Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a 64-bit
> DLL?
>

I use SQLITE as a 64 bit dll on windows. However for me it is included
with the Qt library.

John
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[sqlite] SQLITE3 64-bit version

[Mircea Neacsu]

Hello list,

Would you know if SQLITE3 can be compiled (and if it will work) as a 
64-bit DLL?


Thanks,

Mircea
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