Re: [sqlite] marketing - The world's most popular open source database
On Tue, 18 Jul 2017, R Smith wrote: I wouldn't dispute MySQL's claim as most popular, neither SQLite's claim as most widely deployed - both seem quite accurate, or at a minimum, plausible. Sqlite likely has the longest anticipated future support out of available databases. The anticipated support term is iron-clad: "The SQLite project was started on 2000-05-09. The future is always hard to predict, but the intent of the developers is to support SQLite through the year 2050. Design decisions are made with that objective in mind." Other databases might have turned to Rust by 2050. Bob -- Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us, http://www.simplesystems.org/users/bfriesen/ GraphicsMagick Maintainer,http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/ ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] marketing - The world's most popular open source database
I was drafting a "don't confuse `popular` [a collective human bias] with `most-used` or `most widely deployed` [value statements]" response, but I see others have already done so... I would like to add that often if I mention "SQLite" in conversation with random people (even technical sometimes) I need to immediately follow it up with a short bio, whereas in 90% of cases those same people already know the term "MySQL". I think SQLite is mostly used as backbone data handling for really technical people and their software inventions, hence being so widely employed and being used near everywhere, but any script kiddie in a basement hacking out his/her first website is bound to be in the presence of MySQL - or, if they fancy themselves as technically-minded a cut above the rest, then perhaps PostGresSQL. I wouldn't dispute MySQL's claim as most popular, neither SQLite's claim as most widely deployed - both seem quite accurate, or at a minimum, plausible. On 2017/07/18 9:16 AM, Darren Duncan wrote: I was reminded today that MySQL still prominently advertises themselves as "The world's most popular open source database", on their website and in their product announcements etc. However, isn't that claim clearly wrong, given that SQLite for one has way more installations than MySQL does, and that's just for SQL DBMSs. Is it worth having some kind of official statement from the makers of SQLite about this, that MySQL is using false advertising? Or is the idea that SQLite has the most installations not easily provable? -- Darren Duncan ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] marketing - The world's most popular open source database
On 18 Jul 2017, at 8:37am, Donald Shepherd wrote: > I think that there's no real definition for "popular" leaves it as a > massively ambiguous claim. Agreed. In addition to this, in which court would the claim be judged and why ? There’s no such thing as a world court. Is someone going to fund SQLite’s side of the case ? I might help fund a case SQLite was defending, but not one where SQLite was the prosecution. SQLite can claim things MySQL can’t. It can claim to be the worlds most used DBMS, or the DBMS with the most installations, or the DBMS chosen. by the most manufacturers. If some clarity is needed then perhaps SQLite might word its own claims more specifically, then add that other databases claim to be the world most popular but nobody knows what that means if it isn’t one of the above. Simon, ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] marketing - The world's most popular open source database
I think that there's no real definition for "popular" leaves it as a massively ambiguous claim. They could easily produce a survey of users of MySQL (sample selection bias) that "prove" it has higher customer ratings - that'd work for "popular". On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 17:17 Darren Duncan wrote: > I was reminded today that MySQL still prominently advertises themselves as > "The > world's most popular open source database", on their website and in their > product announcements etc. > > However, isn't that claim clearly wrong, given that SQLite for one has way > more > installations than MySQL does, and that's just for SQL DBMSs. > > Is it worth having some kind of official statement from the makers of > SQLite > about this, that MySQL is using false advertising? > > Or is the idea that SQLite has the most installations not easily provable? > > -- Darren Duncan > ___ > sqlite-users mailing list > sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org > http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users > ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
Re: [sqlite] marketing - The world's most popular open source database
Darren Duncan wrote: > I was reminded today that MySQL still prominently advertises themselves > as "The world's most popular open source database", on their website > and in their product announcements etc. > > However, isn't that claim clearly wrong, given that SQLite for one has > way more installations than MySQL does, and that's just for SQL DBMSs. SQLite advertises itself as the "Most Widely Deployed and Used Database Engine": http://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html This is not exactly the same as "popular". It is plausible that developers who choose a database indeed choose MySQL more often than any other database. (Even if most of those then end up being a single web server, instead of an app or an embedded device with lots of instances.) Regards, Clemens ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
[sqlite] marketing - The world's most popular open source database
I was reminded today that MySQL still prominently advertises themselves as "The world's most popular open source database", on their website and in their product announcements etc. However, isn't that claim clearly wrong, given that SQLite for one has way more installations than MySQL does, and that's just for SQL DBMSs. Is it worth having some kind of official statement from the makers of SQLite about this, that MySQL is using false advertising? Or is the idea that SQLite has the most installations not easily provable? -- Darren Duncan ___ sqlite-users mailing list sqlite-users@mailinglists.sqlite.org http://mailinglists.sqlite.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/sqlite-users
