Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Kevin Smith
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Matthew Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I recalled some discussion on the lists already regarding this, but I haven't been able to find it. On resource binding, the RFC says the server MAY modify the client's chosen resource. Is there a reason that it

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
IMO, it's a bad idea for the server to change the resource. The server SHOULD provide some way to let the client generate a resource, but this should not be the default, IMO. Usuaully, you want a static resource so new connections can replace the old, likely broken one. You see on GTalk

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:42:43 +0100 Kevin Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Matthew Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I recalled some discussion on the lists already regarding this, but I haven't been able to find it. On resource binding, the RFC says the

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Remko Tronçon
I don't particularly like where we ended up on resource generation. IMHO now it's too complicated, so I'd be +1 to your proposed change. Same here. As long as the server is able to generate a resource name for you, I don't see much point in returning back different resource names than the one

[Standards] XEP-0174: Serverless Messaging interactions with XEP-0115 Entity Capabilities

2008-10-04 Thread Alban Crequy
Hi, To start a link-local conversation with XEP-0174 between two clients, any of the 2 clients can initiate the stream. If the 2 contacts start to chat at the same time, we may have 2 streams initiated in both directions. It seems this case does not happen often because users usually don't start

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Eric Will
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Matthew Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it is MAY as it is now I believe servers will begin implementing it as a consequence of all the discussions about leaking presence through user-specified resources. It's as good as a recommendation. I would simply

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Matthew Wild
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Eric Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Matthew Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it is MAY as it is now I believe servers will begin implementing it as a consequence of all the discussions about leaking presence through

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Matthew Wild [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they type it manually then they know what they are doing, and when they come to type the stanza for resource binding, they will read the RFC and see that it recommends not specifying a resource :) Which is IMO a painfully bad idea for users with

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 05.10.2008 um 03:05 schrieb Matthew Wild: Personally I agree with you, I would probably continue to use a static resource. However it is against the spirit of XMPP to allow the possibility of presence leaks, so I think it is best that the RFC says that clients SHOULD ask for a

Re: [Standards] RCF3920bis07: Resource generation

2008-10-04 Thread Eric Will
On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM, Jonathan Schleifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which is IMO a painfully bad idea for users with instable connections. They will have thousands of resources online after a short while and you don't know which to msg. Very, very bad idea, IMO. Makes it totally