Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Feb 10, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: It seems not so sensible when the admin happens to be authenticating directly to the server hosting the chatroom. But for the case where the administrator

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that, maybe keeping password requirements on all affiliations is sensible. /K

[Standards] XMPP Summit

2009-02-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On Monday we had some good discussions in Brussels about e2e security, BOSH, pubsub/PEP, Jingle, file transfer, mobile optimization, abuse reporting, etc. Yesterday I wrote up a series of reports on these discussions, which I sent to the more focused lists we run. The reports (one also by Rob

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Feb 11 13:06:24 2009, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that, maybe keeping password

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Matt Ford
Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Feb 11 13:06:24 2009, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that,

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:58:01 -0800 Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: On Feb 10, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: It seems not so sensible when the admin happens to be authenticating

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Just a reason NOT to require a PW for the owner: Some admin might have changed it and now the owner can't join the room anymore or change it back. -- Jonathan PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Matthew Wild
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Jonathan Schleifer js-xmpp-standa...@webkeks.org wrote: Just a reason NOT to require a PW for the owner: Some admin might have changed it and now the owner can't join the room anymore or change it back. That same admin could simply remove the owner from the

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle In-Band Bytestreams Transport

2009-02-11 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Jingle In-Band Bytestreams Transport Abstract: This specification defines a Jingle transport method that results in sending data via the In-Band Bytestreams (IBB) protocol defined in XEP-0047. Essentially this transport

[Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Jingle SOCKS5 Bytestreams Transport Method

2009-02-11 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. Title: Jingle SOCKS5 Bytestreams Transport Method Abstract: This specification defines a Jingle transport method that results in sending data via the SOCKS5 Bytestreams (S5B) protocol defined in XEP-0065. Essentially this

[Standards] UPDATED: XEP-0177 (Jingle Raw UDP Transport Method)

2009-02-11 Thread XMPP Extensions Editor
Version 0.15 of XEP-0177 (Jingle Raw UDP Transport Method) has been released. Abstract: This specification defines a Jingle transport method that results in sending media data using raw datagram associations via the User Datagram Protocol (UDP). This simple transport method does not provide NAT

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: This single issue aside however, I do think that the total lack of any way to track which services a JID is affiliated with is scary. This affects transports/gateways, MUCs, etc. Are roster subscriptions even cancelled on

[Standards] groupchat and error message routing

2009-02-11 Thread Waqas Hussain
Hi, When messages of type 'groupchat' and 'error' are sent to a non-existing resource, they are routed to the set of highest priority available resources. IMHO this behaviour in counter-intuitive. I don't see why an unintended resource would want a groupchat or error message, or how it's supposed

Re: [Standards] groupchat and error message routing

2009-02-11 Thread Jiří Zárevúcký
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that nobody is ever supposed to send an error message to a bare JID. Errors are sent in a response to an invalid stanza, which always originates from a resource. As for the groupchat, I would suggest taking a look at the relevant XEP. 2009/2/11 Waqas Hussain

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Justin Karneges
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 05:06:24 Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that, maybe keeping

Re: [Standards] groupchat and error message routing

2009-02-11 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Jiří Zárevúcký zarevucky.j...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not entirely sure, but I think that nobody is ever supposed to send an error message to a bare JID. Errors are sent in a response to an invalid stanza, which always originates from a resource. As for the

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 11.02.2009 um 16:08 schrieb Matthew Wild: That same admin could simply remove the owner from the owner list and be done :) Nope, at least in ejabberd, an admin can't take it from an owner IIRC ;). -- Jonathan PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jonathan Schleifer wrote: Am 11.02.2009 um 16:08 schrieb Matthew Wild: That same admin could simply remove the owner from the owner list and be done :) Nope, at least in ejabberd, an admin can't take it from an owner IIRC ;). The service-wide admin, not the room admin. /psa smime.p7s

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Jonathan Schleifer js-xmpp-standa...@webkeks.org wrote: Am 11.02.2009 um 16:08 schrieb Matthew Wild: That same admin could simply remove the owner from the owner list and be done :) Nope, at least in ejabberd, an admin can't take it from an owner IIRC ;).

Re: [Standards] Section 2.3 of XEP-0107

2009-02-11 Thread Ralph Meijer
On 2008-11-09 11:05, Jonathan Schleifer wrote: Hi! In Gajim, this diff was recently committed: http://trac.gajim.org/changeset/10593 That lead to a discussion in the Gajim team whether that is right. Section 2.3 of XEP-0107 says: “A user MAY provide a mood extension in a specific message in

Re: [Standards] groupchat and error message routing

2009-02-11 Thread Jiří Zárevúcký
Yeah, it really seems to contradict a bit.. 2009/2/11 Waqas Hussain waqa...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Jiří Zárevúcký zarevucky.j...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not entirely sure, but I think that nobody is ever supposed to send an error message to a bare JID. Errors are sent in a