[Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
Peter Saint-Andre some time ago wrote: On 7/16/13 4:27 AM, Carlo v. Loesch wrote: Since XMPP isn't suitable for keeping meta-data private I would presume that e2e privacy is out of scope for this mailing list, really. True. Where would the topic e2e privacy for XMPP be in scope ?

Re: [Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Simon Tennant
IMHO, e2e security would probably make more sense as a XEP and working group that has the time to zoom into all the implementation details. S. On 18 November 2013 10:30, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de wrote: Peter Saint-Andre some time ago wrote: On 7/16/13 4:27 AM, Carlo v. Loesch

Re: [Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Steffen Larsen
Hi, On 18 Nov 2013, at 13:07, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de wrote: Simon Tennant: IMHO, e2e security would probably make more sense as a XEP and working group that has the time to zoom into all the implementation details. Can that be solved by an XEP ? What about this IETF draft?

Re: [Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Florian Zeitz
On 18.11.2013 13:38, Steffen Larsen wrote: Hi, On 18 Nov 2013, at 13:07, Andreas Kuckartz a.kucka...@ping.de wrote: Simon Tennant: IMHO, e2e security would probably make more sense as a XEP and working group that has the time to zoom into all the implementation details. Can that be

Re: [Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
It really depends what threats you are concerned about, Steffen. I briefly looked at a Mumble project, which uses IM over Tor, when it was mentioned on the IETF perpass list. Here were my thoughts: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/perpass/current/msg00215.html Ciao Hannes Am

Re: [Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Ralph Meijer
On 2013-11-18 13:07, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: Simon Tennant: IMHO, e2e security would probably make more sense as a XEP and working group that has the time to zoom into all the implementation details. Can that be solved by an XEP ? What about this IETF draft? (I still have to read it)

Re: [Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Carlo v. Loesch
Since I've kind of been summoned, some observations to several mails in a single reply. On 11/18/2013 10:30 AM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: Peter Saint-Andre some time ago wrote: On 7/16/13 4:27 AM, Carlo v. Loesch wrote: Since XMPP isn't suitable for keeping meta-data private I would

Re: [Standards] e2e privacy for XMPP Re: RFC 3923 (e2e with S/MIME) and OpenPGP

2013-11-18 Thread Thijs Alkemade
On 18 nov. 2013, at 23:49, Carlo v. Loesch c...@mail.symlynx.com wrote: On 11/18/2013 01:53 PM, Florian Zeitz wrote: On 18.11.2013 13:38, Steffen Larsen wrote: Well you can €œalways” run XMPP on top of TOR if you like that, if it is the S2S routing that bothers you. :-) Not so simple..