Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Steve Kille
> -Original Message- > From: Standards On Behalf Of Kevin Smith > Sent: 01 June 2018 14:37 > To: XMPP Standards > Subject: Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing > > On 1 Jun 2018, at 11:37, Steve Kille wrote: > > 1. Use variant 2 for messages.Messages will come from bare JID of > >

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 01.06.2018 18:27, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 1 Jun 2018, at 17:19, Florian Schmaus wrote: >> >> On 01.06.2018 17:57, Kevin Smith wrote: >>> On 1 Jun 2018, at 16:47, Florian Schmaus wrote: On 31.05.2018 13:45, Kevin Smith wrote: > We’ve had some discussions recently about whether

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Smith
On 1 Jun 2018, at 17:19, Florian Schmaus wrote: > > On 01.06.2018 17:57, Kevin Smith wrote: >> On 1 Jun 2018, at 16:47, Florian Schmaus wrote: >>> >>> On 31.05.2018 13:45, Kevin Smith wrote: We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence should come from the channel’s

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Dave Cridland
On 1 June 2018 at 17:19, Florian Schmaus wrote: > On 01.06.2018 17:57, Kevin Smith wrote: > > On 1 Jun 2018, at 16:47, Florian Schmaus wrote: > >> > >> On 31.05.2018 13:45, Kevin Smith wrote: > >>> We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence should come > from the channel’s JID,

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 01.06.2018 17:57, Kevin Smith wrote: > On 1 Jun 2018, at 16:47, Florian Schmaus wrote: >> >> On 31.05.2018 13:45, Kevin Smith wrote: >>> We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence should come from >>> the channel’s JID, the user’s proxy JID, or be encoded in pubsub. Similarly

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Smith
On 1 Jun 2018, at 16:47, Florian Schmaus wrote: > > On 31.05.2018 13:45, Kevin Smith wrote: >> We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence should come from >> the channel’s JID, the user’s proxy JID, or be encoded in pubsub. Similarly >> whether messages should be coming from

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 31.05.2018 13:45, Kevin Smith wrote: > We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence should come from > the channel’s JID, the user’s proxy JID, or be encoded in pubsub. Similarly > whether messages should be coming from the channel’s JID or the user’s proxy > JID. I think the

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Smith
On 1 Jun 2018, at 11:37, Steve Kille wrote: > 1. Use variant 2 for messages.Messages will come from bare JID of > channel, with resource being stable ID indicating the sender. Sender JID > and Nick in the message.This works right for MAM, and I think it is > reasonably natural for

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Dave Cridland
I'd really much rather use the same identifier for both messages and presence if at all possible. On 1 June 2018 at 11:37, Steve Kille wrote: > A proposal: > > > 1. Use variant 2 for messages.Messages will come from bare JID of > channel, with resource being stable ID indicating the

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Steve Kille
A proposal: 1. Use variant 2 for messages.Messages will come from bare JID of channel, with resource being stable ID indicating the sender. Sender JID and Nick in the message.This works right for MAM, and I think it is reasonably natural for messages to always come from the channel

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Smith
> On 1 Jun 2018, at 09:36, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > On Freitag, 1. Juni 2018 09:21:45 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: >> On 31 May 2018, at 20:12, Jonas Wielicki wrote: >>> On Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2018 13:45:06 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Smith
On 1 Jun 2018, at 09:20, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > On Freitag, 1. Juni 2018 09:29:15 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: >>> So here’s a straw-man proposal, Variant 3 (because, creating many variants >>> is what we’re good at!): >>> >>> An occupant is identified by an occupant-identifier. The occupant JID

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Freitag, 1. Juni 2018 09:21:45 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: > On 31 May 2018, at 20:12, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > On Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2018 13:45:06 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: > >> We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence should come > >> from > >> the channel’s JID, the user’s

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Freitag, 1. Juni 2018 09:29:15 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: > > So here’s a straw-man proposal, Variant 3 (because, creating many variants > > is what we’re good at!): > > > > An occupant is identified by an occupant-identifier. The occupant JID is > > occupant-identifier@mix-service. The channel

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Smith
> On 31 May 2018, at 21:43, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > On Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2018 13:45:06 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: >> 1) Stick with proxy JIDs and user%channel@domain[/resource] (or similar), >> with the resource missed off for bare-JID traffic, where >> ‘user%channel@domain’ as the proxy JID

Re: [Standards] MIX Addressing

2018-06-01 Thread Kevin Smith
On 31 May 2018, at 20:12, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > On Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2018 13:45:06 CEST Kevin Smith wrote: >> We’ve had some discussions recently about whether presence should come from >> the channel’s JID, the user’s proxy JID, or be encoded in pubsub. Similarly >> whether messages