[Standards] Council Agenda 2019-03-20

2019-03-19 Thread Tedd Sterr
The XMPP Council will be holding its regular meeting tomorrow (Wednesday) at 1600 UTC. The agenda is collated from (in order of reliability): * Github pull requests and issues marked "Needs Council": https://github.com/xsf/xeps/labels/Needs%20Council * Relevant mails from the Standards List:

Re: [Standards] MIX

2019-03-19 Thread Steve Kille
> * Old participants never die, they're merely removed from the pubsub > node and require endless searching through MAM, or having all their data > copied to the outgoing messages. [..] I don't understand what this is about. Can you expand? Given a message, (some/many/rare) clients

Re: [Standards] MIX

2019-03-19 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 at 18:08, Ralph Meijer wrote: > In general, I think that explicit is usually better than implicit. While > I can see how a sensible default might be useful. It brings up some > issues with users that use multiple different clients. > Yeah, and bots, and so on. I'm convinced

Re: [Standards] MIX

2019-03-19 Thread Steve Kille
Ralph, > -Original Message- > From: Standards On Behalf Of Ralph Meijer > Sent: 18 March 2019 18:07 > To: standards@xmpp.org > Subject: Re: [Standards] MIX > > Hi, > > I started working on this reply last week, I still need to fully address the > PubSub/MAM/MIX thing, but that'll have

[Standards] Operating MIX without MIX-PAM

2019-03-19 Thread Steve Kille
Dave, We’ve been looking at operating MIX without MIX-PAM. It seems clear that trying to do this is rather against a basic part of the MIX model (sending messages to users, not clients) and is fraught with issues, particularly multi-client. I feel quite strongly that we should NOT

Re: [Standards] MIX

2019-03-19 Thread Steve Kille
Dave, Comments below, in red. From: Standards On Behalf Of Dave Cridland Sent: 18 March 2019 17:43 To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] MIX Have removed and added reference to XEP-0359 That would, mind, be a breaking change - so I hope you're bumping the namespace.