Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 4/6/11 8:11 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 14:54, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-11 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Apr 11, 2011, at 13:04 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 4/6/11 8:11 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 14:54, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote: On

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-11 Thread Dave Cridland
On Mon Apr 11 20:08:36 2011, Matthew A. Miller wrote: The reasoning here is using jid is (or appears to be) much less of a breaking change than nick. Maybe if this were a pre-draft spec, we'd be more comfortable moving to nick; but it's not, so we're not (-: You reckon anyone actually

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 4/11/11 1:08 PM, Matthew A. Miller wrote: On Apr 11, 2011, at 13:04 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 4/6/11 8:11 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 14:54, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: On

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-08 Thread Florent Le Coz
On 04/06/2011 05:24 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: I think being able to use a nickname for the actor is a decent enough middle ground to be reasonable. It turns out it is not that hard to do protocol-wise either. The actor element currently has a 'jid' attribute, and we can add a 'nick' attribute as

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-08 Thread Kevin Smith
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Florent Le Coz lo...@louiz.org wrote: On 04/06/2011 05:24 AM, Matthew Wild wrote: I think being able to use a nickname for the actor is a decent enough middle ground to be reasonable. It turns out it is not that hard to do protocol-wise either. The actor element

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-08 Thread Florent Le Coz
On 04/08/2011 08:56 PM, Florent Le Coz wrote: The server could still set a “jid” attribute, for backward compatibility, but with the room fulljid instead. actor nick='MattJ' jid='pros...@conference.prosody.im/MattJ' / on an anonymous room. actor nick='MattJ' jid='ma...@realserver.com' / on

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully bcu...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: The only downside to this is backwards-compatibility. I haven't tested any, but it might upset some clients to see an actor with no

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully bcu...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: The only downside to this is backwards-compatibility. I haven't tested any,

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully bcu...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Matthew A. Miller
On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:21 , Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 4/5/11 9:59 PM, Matthew Wild wrote: On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully bcu...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-06 Thread Matthew Wild
On 6 April 2011 14:54, Kevin Smith ke...@kismith.co.uk wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: On Apr 6, 2011, at 07:48 , Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Matthew A. Miller linuxw...@outer-planes.net wrote: That's what

[Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-05 Thread Matthew Wild
Following the MUC theme, we had a little discussion today in jabber@. Something I hadn't really noticed before is that the actor element in MUC (the one that tells you who performed an action like a kick or a ban) specifies that you must use the bare JID of the actor. This seems a really strange

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-05 Thread Brian Cully
On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: The only downside to this is backwards-compatibility. I haven't tested any, but it might upset some clients to see an actor with no 'jid'. Why can't the JID be no more than the room JID, and rely on existing mechanisms to map that

Re: [Standards] MUC actor

2011-04-05 Thread Matthew Wild
On 6 April 2011 04:45, Brian Cully bcu...@gmail.com wrote: On Apr 5, 2011, at 23:24, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: The only downside to this is backwards-compatibility. I haven't tested any, but it might upset some clients to see an actor with no 'jid'. Why can't the JID be no more