Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-13 Thread Philipp Hancke
Matthew Wild wrote: This single issue aside however, I do think that the total lack of any way to track which services a JID is affiliated with is scary. This affects transports/gateways, MUCs, etc. Are roster subscriptions even cancelled on account removal? jabberd does that (since 2005).

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-12 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Feb 11 18:45:34 2009, Justin Karneges wrote: There are quite many XMPP services (bots and such) that you authenticate with just by JID. Why would those things be okay, but MUC is somehow more secure and requires a password? Well, yes - in a perfect world, we'd sign stanzas with

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-12 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:45:34 -0800 Justin Karneges justin-keyword-jabber.093...@affinix.com wrote: On Wednesday 11 February 2009 05:06:24 Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-12 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Feb 11 15:08:41 2009, Matthew Wild wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Jonathan Schleifer js-xmpp-standa...@webkeks.org wrote: Just a reason NOT to require a PW for the owner: Some admin might have changed it and now the owner can't join the room anymore or change it back.

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Feb 10, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: It seems not so sensible when the admin happens to be authenticating directly to the server hosting the chatroom. But for the case where the administrator

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that, maybe keeping password requirements on all affiliations is sensible. /K

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Dave Cridland
On Wed Feb 11 13:06:24 2009, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that, maybe keeping password

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Matt Ford
Dave Cridland wrote: On Wed Feb 11 13:06:24 2009, Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that,

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Pavel Simerda
On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:58:01 -0800 Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: On Feb 10, 2009, at 11:25 PM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: It seems not so sensible when the admin happens to be authenticating

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Just a reason NOT to require a PW for the owner: Some admin might have changed it and now the owner can't join the room anymore or change it back. -- Jonathan PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Matthew Wild
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Jonathan Schleifer js-xmpp-standa...@webkeks.org wrote: Just a reason NOT to require a PW for the owner: Some admin might have changed it and now the owner can't join the room anymore or change it back. That same admin could simply remove the owner from the

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Kevin Smith
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Matthew Wild mwi...@gmail.com wrote: This single issue aside however, I do think that the total lack of any way to track which services a JID is affiliated with is scary. This affects transports/gateways, MUCs, etc. Are roster subscriptions even cancelled on

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Justin Karneges
On Wednesday 11 February 2009 05:06:24 Kevin Smith wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: I'm thinking more about a non-comprised server case, but just the case of poor administrative practices. Ok, I follow, thanks. Given that, maybe keeping

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 11.02.2009 um 16:08 schrieb Matthew Wild: That same admin could simply remove the owner from the owner list and be done :) Nope, at least in ejabberd, an admin can't take it from an owner IIRC ;). -- Jonathan PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Jonathan Schleifer wrote: Am 11.02.2009 um 16:08 schrieb Matthew Wild: That same admin could simply remove the owner from the owner list and be done :) Nope, at least in ejabberd, an admin can't take it from an owner IIRC ;). The service-wide admin, not the room admin. /psa smime.p7s

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-11 Thread Waqas Hussain
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:25 AM, Jonathan Schleifer js-xmpp-standa...@webkeks.org wrote: Am 11.02.2009 um 16:08 schrieb Matthew Wild: That same admin could simply remove the owner from the owner list and be done :) Nope, at least in ejabberd, an admin can't take it from an owner IIRC ;).

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-10 Thread Kurt Zeilenga
On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:40 AM, Kevin Smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Matt Ford m...@dancingfrog.co.uk wrote: The question is is it sensible? should the spec change or is it a bug in ejabberd? It's both - it's a bug in ejabberd that it doesn't follow the spec, and it's a bug in

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-10 Thread Kevin Smith
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Kurt Zeilenga kurt.zeile...@isode.com wrote: It seems not so sensible when the admin happens to be authenticating directly to the server hosting the chatroom. But for the case where the administrator authenticates elsewhere, possibly to a server under separate

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-09 Thread Matt Ford
Peter Saint-Andre wrote: Matt Ford wrote: Hi All, Implementation vs standards. It seems, at least on jabber.org, that I as an owner of password protected room can access it without using a password. I must admit that I haven't tested password-protected rooms in a long time. IMHO

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-09 Thread Kevin Smith
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Matt Ford m...@dancingfrog.co.uk wrote: The question is is it sensible? should the spec change or is it a bug in ejabberd? It's both - it's a bug in ejabberd that it doesn't follow the spec, and it's a bug in the spec because that's not sensible :) The spec

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-09 Thread Michael Grigutsch
Kevin Smith wrote: On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Matt Ford m...@dancingfrog.co.uk wrote: The question is is it sensible? should the spec change or is it a bug in ejabberd? It's both - it's a bug in ejabberd that it doesn't follow the spec, and it's a bug in the spec because that's not

[Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-07 Thread Matt Ford
Hi All, Implementation vs standards. It seems, at least on jabber.org, that I as an owner of password protected room can access it without using a password. The spec however suggests that I should not be able to http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#enter-pw (assuming that an owner counts

Re: [Standards] Password protected rooms

2009-02-07 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
Matt Ford wrote: Hi All, Implementation vs standards. It seems, at least on jabber.org, that I as an owner of password protected room can access it without using a password. I must admit that I haven't tested password-protected rooms in a long time. IMHO members-only rooms perform the