Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-22 Thread Dave Cridland
On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 19:12, Dave Cridland wrote: > > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:32, Kim Alvefur wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> While working on a fix for Prosodys XEP-0191 implementation¹ regarding >> presence sent to a blocked JID to pretend that the blocking user is >> offline, and then re-send

Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-22 Thread Dave Cridland
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 20:32, Kim Alvefur wrote: > Hi, > > While working on a fix for Prosodys XEP-0191 implementation¹ regarding > presence sent to a blocked JID to pretend that the blocking user is > offline, and then re-send presence again if they unblock. > > However, since if you block

Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-22 Thread Kim Alvefur
Hi, Also consider clients that do not understand XEP-0191, for which it would be even more confusing, as they would not have any way to know that the presence they've seen is stale. (Clients that implement '191 can know via blocklist push.) Having server generate unavailable presence when

Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-22 Thread Tedd Sterr
To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence? Hi, The section means, my server sends my presence to the now unblocked contact. Yes this would look like im coming online to the contact. But this does not solves the problem that i dont have current presence information

Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-21 Thread Philipp Hörist
Hi, The section means, my server sends my presence to the now unblocked contact. Yes this would look like im coming online to the contact. But this does not solves the problem that i dont have current presence information about the unblocked contact. The server sending my presence to the contact

Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-21 Thread Tedd Sterr
on behalf of Philipp Hörist Sent: 21 June 2019 22:10 To: XMPP Standards Subject: Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence? I think you misunderstood what Kim meant. Its about unblocking, so you are obviously again interested in presence, the XEP does not mention the client or server s

Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-21 Thread Philipp Hörist
I think you misunderstood what Kim meant. Its about unblocking, so you are obviously again interested in presence, the XEP does not mention the client or server should send a probe because the presence is stale regards Philipp Am Fr., 21. Juni 2019 um 22:57 Uhr schrieb Tedd Sterr : > If you

Re: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-21 Thread Tedd Sterr
20:31 To: standards@xmpp.org Subject: [Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence? Hi, While working on a fix for Prosodys XEP-0191 implementation¹ regarding presence sent to a blocked JID to pretend that the blocking user is offline, and then re-send presence again if they unblock. However

[Standards] XEP-0191 leads to stale presence?

2019-06-20 Thread Kim Alvefur
Hi, While working on a fix for Prosodys XEP-0191 implementation¹ regarding presence sent to a blocked JID to pretend that the blocking user is offline, and then re-send presence again if they unblock. However, since if you block someone, your view of their presence will become stale. The XEP