Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Compatibility Fallbacks

2022-01-09 Thread Marvin W
Hi, On 09.01.22 21:50, Dave Cridland wrote: > I'd still argue that it's a bad idea these days, even if Matrix haven't > learned from the trouble it's caused in email. Most other proprietary > messaging apps just have one form, the only reason email (and us, and > Matrix) went for alternatives is

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Compatibility Fallbacks

2022-01-09 Thread Dave Cridland
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 at 13:38, Marvin W wrote: > Given that (as you know) I originally proposed this for XEP-0428 and you > argued against, I'd say that updating XEP-0428 *was* my first choice, > but it is your right as author to refuse this. > XEP-0001: XMPP Extension Protocols

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Compatibility Fallbacks

2022-01-09 Thread Dave Cridland
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 at 13:38, Marvin W wrote: > On 09.01.22 13:24, Dave Cridland wrote: > > Still, as written, the ability send a message which is rendered in > > *radically* different ways in different clients just fills me with > > unease. Fallback bodies are nasty like this - it's why I've

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Compatibility Fallbacks

2022-01-09 Thread Marvin W
Hi, On 09.01.22 13:24, Dave Cridland wrote: > I'm astonished you can simultaneously argue that XEP-428 should have > added this functionality *and* the functionality has no overlap. Surely > it must be one or the other, and not both? After I proposed this and you argued against, I understood

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Compatibility Fallbacks

2022-01-09 Thread Dave Cridland
On Sun, 9 Jan 2022 at 10:58, Marvin W wrote: > Hi, > > On 08.01.22 23:34, Dave Cridland wrote: > > In this case, you've got a pre-existing fallback extension that you > > *could* - and indeed *have* - proposed extending in exactly this way > > without any problem, but for some reason you've

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Compatibility Fallbacks

2022-01-09 Thread Marvin W
Hi, On 08.01.22 23:34, Dave Cridland wrote: > In this case, you've got a pre-existing fallback extension that you > *could* - and indeed *have* - proposed extending in exactly this way > without any problem, but for some reason you've decided to make an > entirely new one instead of continuing

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Compatibility Fallbacks

2022-01-08 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 17:55, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > The XMPP Extensions Editor has received a proposal for a new XEP. > > Title: Compatibility Fallbacks > Abstract: > This document defines a way to indicate that a specific part of the > body only serves as fallback and which specification the