Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Ephemeral Messages

2018-06-06 Thread Marcel Waldvogel
You are right, indeed. I was misinterpreting "timer setting" etc. and jumped to conclusions. Ignore me ;-) On Wed, 2018-06-06 at 18:31 +0200, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2018 13:13:23 CEST Marcel Waldvogel wrote: > I understand that time synchronization is important, but I >

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-05-30

2018-06-06 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2018 18:42:47 CEST Dave Cridland wrote: > I really don't want to have any IQ based flows prior to login if possible - > with my server-dev hat on, I find it worrying to have to do deep inspection > of IQ stanzas during pre-auth. With my client hat on, I agree 100%. But SASL2

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-05-30

2018-06-06 Thread Sam Whited
On Wed, Jun 6, 2018, at 11:30, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > I see that the IQ-based pre-auth flow is an issue, and integrating this in > SASL2 or something is probably the better way to handle this. However, this > also needs to work pre- or during IBR in some way. Yes, this makes sense; I can see

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-05-30

2018-06-06 Thread Dave Cridland
On 6 June 2018 at 17:30, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2018 16:52:27 CEST Sam Whited wrote: > > I'm not af an of how this one was done. -1 for now. I'd like to discuss > how > > this can be done better though; it seems to me that it would fit very > well > > as part of extensible

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Ephemeral Messages

2018-06-06 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2018 13:13:23 CEST Marcel Waldvogel wrote: > I understand that time synchronization is important, but I would > recommend not to burden XMPP with timer synchronization. We do have a > reliable NTP infrastructure including pool.ntp.org; mobile devices > often have the

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-05-30

2018-06-06 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2018 16:52:27 CEST Sam Whited wrote: > I'm not af an of how this one was done. -1 for now. I'd like to discuss how > this can be done better though; it seems to me that it would fit very well > as part of extensible IBR and/or SASL2. I agree that IBR or SASL2 or whatever

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-05-30

2018-06-06 Thread Sam Whited
On Wed, May 30, 2018, at 19:22, Tedd Sterr wrote: > 3) Proposed XMPP Extension: Terms of Services - > https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/tos.html > > Kev: +1 (don't like this much, but not blocking it) > Daniel: [to vote on-list] > Georg: +1 (it's great to have a machine-readable way to link the

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-05-30

2018-06-06 Thread Dave Cridland
On 31 May 2018 at 01:22, Tedd Sterr wrote: > http://logs.xmpp.org/council/2018-05-30/#15:00:13 > > *1) Roll Call* - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll_Call > Present: Kev, Daniel, Georg, Sam > Better things to do: Dave > > *2) Isn't it nice that Tedd Sterr does the minutes?* > There are no

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Minutes 2018-05-30

2018-06-06 Thread Daniel Gultsch
2018-05-31 2:22 GMT+02:00 Tedd Sterr : > 3) Proposed XMPP Extension: Terms of Services - > https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/tos.html > > Kev: +1 (don't like this much, but not blocking it) > Daniel: [to vote on-list] > Georg: +1 (it's great to have a machine-readable way to link the ToS; not >

Re: [Standards] Proposed XMPP Extension: Ephemeral Messages

2018-06-06 Thread Marcel Waldvogel
I understand that time synchronization is important, but I would recommend not to burden XMPP with timer synchronization. We do have a reliable NTP infrastructure including pool.ntp.org; mobile devices often have the capability to synchronize to other time sources (mobile phone infrastructure,

Re: [Standards] XMPP Council Agenda 2018-06-06

2018-06-06 Thread Kevin Smith
On 6 Jun 2018, at 01:35, Tedd Sterr wrote: > > 2) Isn't it nice that Tedd Sterr does the minutes? > > Come on, you need a new joke now - this one started wearing thin weeks ago  How well do you know Dave? :) /K ___ Standards mailing list Info:

Re: [Standards] Group chat protocol

2018-06-06 Thread Ненахов Андрей
ср, 6 июн. 2018 г. в 11:08, JC Brand : > Is this an extension/modification of XEP-0045, or is this a completely > different groupchat > protocol? Completely different. XEP-0045 is beyond repair. > > * Group chat server resends messages to everyone but sender with > >special

Re: [Standards] Group chat protocol

2018-06-06 Thread JC Brand
On Sun, Jun 03, 2018 at 07:30:48PM +0500, Ненахов Андрей wrote: >To whom it may concern, we're working on group chat solution for XMPP. >It is quite a simple solution that we feel is good enough to counter most >issues of XEP-0045. Is this an extension/modification of XEP-0045, or is