Re: [Standards] Reverse ordering in XEP-0413 vs. XEP-0313's flipped pages
Le 2021-06-30 19:48, Holger Weiß a écrit : XEP-0413: Order-By allows for changing the order of items returned in PubSub or MAM responses. When results are returned as RSM (XEP-0059) pages, the question is whether the requested ordering affects (a) the order in which RSM pages are returned and/or (b) the ordering _within_ an individual RSM page. In the XSF discussion channel, Jérôme mentioned that both (a) and (b) should be affected. I think this needs clarification within the XEP. Also, the XEP currently states¹ that the | ordering can be reversed by using the mechanisms already provided by | Result Set Management (XEP-0059). This isn't true for the ordering _within_ an individual RSM page, XEP-0059 just allows for paging backwards. So, if this feature is desired, maybe a `reverse=true|false` attribute should be added to the tag, plus a statement how this interacts with RSM's and tags? And _if_ this functionality is added to XEP-0413, I guess the thing² could be removed from XEP-0313? Apart from that, I think it XEP-0413 should clarify how it also applies to RSM PubSub queries. Last not least, right now there's only a single disco#info feature for MAM and PubSub support.³ So if the server, for example, supports Order-By for MAM but not for PEP, this cannot be announced on the user JID. Holger ¹ https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0413.html#reverse ² https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html#query-paging-flip ³ https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0413.html#disco I've just published a new version of the XEP (with a namespace bump), I think I've addressed all feedbacks (yours and older ones), I've added a full Pubusb with RSM example and some direction for SQL based implementations. Let me know if you're happy with it, thanks. Goffi ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
[Standards] Council Minutes 2021-07-21
https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2021-07-21#2021-07-21-bc519839c1cd3393 1) Roll Call Present: Jonas, Zash, Daniel, Georg, Dave 2) Agenda Bashing None. 3) Editor's Update * Deferrals have been executed and … well have been sent all at once today. Sorry. * Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Caching Hints 4) Items for Voting 4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Caching Hints URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-caching-hints.html Abstract: This specification provides a way to get caching information from a Pubsub node No discussion yet. Dave and Zash are +1, the remainder on-list. [side note: PR#1064 (update of XEP-0227) has been updated last week and should be discussed on-list before Council votes on it, so if you have not done so yet, please see [1]] 5) Pending Votes None 6) Date of Next everyone in for +1w (except Daniel, who seems to have vanished) 7) AOB 7a) Room Logo The suggestion to put an avatar on the council room has been brought up last meeting. Some brainstorming follows. - Dave: proposes an image of a shed with some bikes in - Georg suggests to include a reference to the Auditors of Reality [2] - XMPP logo over a C, potentially a C-shaped table with some chairs Due to a lack of a designer who can do this, the topic is postponed. 7b) Minutes Tedd Sterr who had been doing the minutes for some years, without any coordination with Council has had to stop doing so earlier this year because of other obligations (or so we think). Last time we checked, they were okay. Yet, we need minutes. Jonas steps up to take minutes from now on. Dave and Jonas agree on sharing the load of converting old meetings into emails. So please be prepared for a potentially unordered set of old minutes appearing on the list in the next few weeks while we catch up. If anyone wants to help out, synchronization of the effort (all meetings since 2021-04-01) happens in xmpp:coun...@muc.xmpp.org?join. 7c) Floods As you may have heard, parts of central europe have been hit hard by floods, including west Germany, Belgium and others. Some of us in the community have been closer to that than you'd wish. Please take the special situation into account when interacting with community members, especially if you are aware that they are somehow connected to those areas. They might be severely busy right now. Also note that folks may have relatives or be otherwise involved in the reconstruction/rescue/cleanup efforts, even if not directly from the areas. 8) Ite Meeting Est Thanks everyone. [1]: https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2021-July/038423.html [2]: From the Discworld series by Terry Pratchett signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
Re: [Standards] [Council] XMPP Council Agenda 2021-07-21
Hi all, I'm (almost certainly) unable to attend this meeting due to travel, but I have reviewed the Pubsub Caching Hint XEP and have no objection to publishing. I'm never sure if I can vote in advance or not, but +1 if I can. Dave. On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 at 16:00, Jonas Schäfer wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The next XMPP Council Meeting will take place on 2021-07-21 at 15:00Z in > xmpp:coun...@muc.xmpp.org?join. Everyone is welcome to join and add to > the > discussions. > > This agenda is composed from: > > - Editor notifications to standards@ > - xsf/xeps GitHub PRs marked as Needs Council > - xsf/xeps GitLab MRs marked as Needs Council > - Suggestions directly sent to me (see below) > > Agenda as follows: > > 1) Roll Call > > 2) Agenda Bashing > > * Feel free to pre-bash on-list or directly to me if you think something > is > missing. > > 3) Editor’s Update > > * Deferrals have been executed and … well have been sent all at once > today. > Sorry. > * Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Caching Hints > > 4) Items for voting > > 4a) Proposed XMPP Extension: Pubsub Caching Hints > URL: https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/pubsub-caching-hints.html > Abstract: This specification provides a way to get caching information > from a > Pubsub node > > 5) Pending Votes > > - Ge0rG on PR#1064: XEP-0227: New revision 1.1 > > 6) Date of Next > > 7) AOB > > 8) Close > > End of Agenda. > > Note that I am aiming for 30 minutes, but meetings may be extended as > necessary if all council members agree. > > Meetings are normally held every Wednesday at 15:00 UTC in the > xmpp:coun...@muc.xmpp.org?join chatroom. > Meetings are open, and anyone (XSF Member or not) may attend, though > only XMPP > Council members may vote. Relevant comments from the floor are > welcomed. > > Using your web browser, you can join anonymously via > https://xmpp.org/chat?council > > Note that conversations in the room are logged publicly at > https://logs.xmpp.org/council/ > > If you have suggestions for an agenda item, you can message me via XMPP > or email at this address or at jo...@zombofant.net. > > I aim to publish the Agenda on the day before the Council meeting before > 19:00Z. > > Stay safe, smart & healthy, > Jonas > ___ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org ___
