[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-22 Thread Dave Cridland
It's been pointed out to me that this comes across combative, which isn't the intention, and I apologise for that. The crux of my argument here is in the phrase "there's no common behaviour between Features and, say, a '198 ack". Much of the aims of XEP-0360 appear to be based on a desire to

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-22 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 at 08:47, Florian Schmaus wrote: > > > In Section 5, business rule #2 states: > > > > "Nonzas SHOULD NOT have a 'from' or 'to' attribute." > > > > I have a few questions: > > > > - When is it sensible to make an exception to this SHOULD NOT? > > I can not think of one.

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-22 Thread Dave Cridland
On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 at 08:47, Florian Schmaus wrote: > For example, assume a XMPP library written in an object-oriented > language. There is a superclass TopLevelStreamElement which has one > obvious subclass named Stanza. Now, how should we name the other > subclass?

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-22 Thread Daniel Gultsch
Hi Florian, On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 9:47 AM Florian Schmaus wrote: > Yes, Smack models Nonzas as language-level type and uses this type in > its API. Among other things, this makes the API and implementation less > error prone. > For example, assume a XMPP library written in an

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-22 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 10/03/2024 16.18, Daniel Gultsch wrote: > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > XEP-0360. > > Title: Nonzas (are not Stanzas) > Abstract: > This specification defines the term "Nonza", describing every top > level stream element that is not a Stanza. > > URL:

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-15 Thread Sam Whited
I have similar views to Dave and Daniel on this. This specification is not needed to fill any gaps in the protocol, it is quite easy to refer to "non-stanza top-level elements" or "non-stanza stream-level elements" without inventing a new word for them. We have enough jargon floating around

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-11 Thread Dave Cridland
On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 at 15:19, Daniel Gultsch wrote: > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > XEP-0360. > > Title: Nonzas (are not Stanzas) > Abstract: > This specification defines the term "Nonza", describing every top > level stream element that is not a Stanza. > >

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-11 Thread Jonas Schäfer
On Montag, 11. März 2024 10:14:36 CET Daniel Gultsch wrote: > On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:18 PM Daniel Gultsch wrote: > > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > > XEP-0360. > > […] > > Please consider the following questions during this Last Call and send > > your feedback

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-11 Thread Kevin Smith
-- Original Message -- From "Daniel Gultsch" To standards@xmpp.org Date 11/03/2024 09:14:36 Subject [Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas)) On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:18 PM Daniel Gultsch wrote: This message constitutes notice of a Last Call fo

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-11 Thread Daniel Gultsch
On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:18 PM Daniel Gultsch wrote: > > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > XEP-0360. > > Title: Nonzas (are not Stanzas) > Abstract: > This specification defines the term "Nonza", describing every top > level stream element that is not a Stanza. > >

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 3/10/24 11:19 AM, Maxime Buquet wrote: On 2024/03/10, Daniel Gultsch wrote: This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0360. Title: Nonzas (are not Stanzas) Abstract: This specification defines the term "Nonza", describing every top level stream element that is not a

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-10 Thread Maxime Buquet
On 2024/03/10, Daniel Gultsch wrote: > This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on > XEP-0360. > > Title: Nonzas (are not Stanzas) > Abstract: > This specification defines the term "Nonza", describing every top > level stream element that is not a Stanza. > > URL:

[Standards] Re: LAST CALL: XEP-0360 (Nonzas (are not Stanzas))

2024-03-10 Thread Peter Saint-Andre
On 3/10/24 9:18 AM, Daniel Gultsch wrote: This message constitutes notice of a Last Call for comments on XEP-0360. Title: Nonzas (are not Stanzas) Abstract: This specification defines the term "Nonza", describing every top level stream element that is not a Stanza. URL: