[Standards] XEP-0369: 6.3 Ensuring Message Delivery

2018-03-12 Thread Manuel Rubio
Hello, I was reading this XEP-0369 and I found in the section 6.3 it's in use "marker". For me this could be more similar to "ping" instead: And the result: That should work in the same way to ensure the client is there. At this moment reading "marker" I only think about XEP-0333 and

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Freitag, 9. März 2018 18:16:25 CET Sam Whited wrote: > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 10:53, Georg Lukas wrote: > > as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from > > one account to another, or to be able to move a subset of your contacts > > to another (local) JID. > > What is

[Standards] XEP-0372: References

2018-03-12 Thread Jonas Wielicki
Hi list, Some feedback on XEP-0372 references from me after reading it thoroughly for the first time [1]. First, it uses ranges of "characters" into , but doesn’t specificy which language. Since there can be multiple elements with different effective xml:lang values, this is ambiguous. I thin

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Jonas Wielicki
Hi Georg, Thanks for taking this up. On Freitag, 9. März 2018 17:53:27 CET Georg Lukas wrote: > XEP-0283 "Moved" provides the signaling mechanism to make this possible, > with two "little" issues: > > 1) the Security Considerations spoil all the fun of automatic account > > transfers: > | In or

Re: [Standards] XEP-0372: References

2018-03-12 Thread Sam Whited
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 09:20, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > FWIW, I’d argue that using codepoints is much saner, > because those are readily available and consistent across all receiving > entities of the same message. (Even though this potentially introduces some > interesting edge-cases when someb

Re: [Standards] 0174 Serverless Messaging: Discovering Capabilities

2018-03-12 Thread Christian Schudt
Hi, my original question quickly drifted away to a discussion about the use case of serverless messaging. But I feel my concern was not addressed: 1. Why can’t the receiving entity include its Entity Caps as stream feature as described in XEP-0115? 2. Why should we instead use disco#info? I do

Re: [Standards] XEP-0372: References

2018-03-12 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Montag, 12. März 2018 15:56:04 CET Sam Whited wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 09:20, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > FWIW, I’d argue that using codepoints is much saner, > > because those are readily available and consistent across all receiving > > entities of the same message. (Even though this po

Re: [Standards] XEP-0372: References

2018-03-12 Thread Sam Whited
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 10:17, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > This is true, XML restricts to Scalar Values. Thanks, I didn’t know that term. Your entire reply seems to be hinged on the fact that all XML libraries return scalar values, but this isn't true to my knowledge. Most XML libraries are going t

Re: [Standards] XEP-0372: References

2018-03-12 Thread Jonas Wielicki
On Montag, 12. März 2018 16:31:57 CET Sam Whited wrote: > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 10:17, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > > This is true, XML restricts to Scalar Values. Thanks, I didn’t know that > > term. > Your entire reply seems to be hinged on the fact that all XML libraries > return scalar values No

Re: [Standards] XEP-0372: References

2018-03-12 Thread Sam Whited
On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 11:16, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > libxml2 uses UTF-8 internally, but aliases the xmlChar type, which is > intended > to be used with the xmlUTF8 family of functions providing access to the > Codepoints. [1] As far as I can tell you just get bytes externally and that XML

Re: [Standards] XEP-0372: References

2018-03-12 Thread Florian Schmaus
On 12.03.2018 16:17, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On Montag, 12. März 2018 15:56:04 CET Sam Whited wrote: >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018, at 09:20, Jonas Wielicki wrote: >> because just as >> scalar values can be made up of multiple bytes, glyphs (or "grapheme >> clusters") may be made up of multiple scalar va

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Georg Lukas
* Jonas Wielicki [2018-03-12 15:51]: > This only works for mutual subscriptions. Good catch, and you are right that it's not much of a problem for our use case. I still think that unidirectional subscriptions are a horrible result of design-by-committee, but there's not much that can be done abou

Re: [Standards] XEP-0283 Moved - Security and Usability

2018-03-12 Thread Dave Cridland
On 12 March 2018 at 14:44, Jonas Wielicki wrote: > On Freitag, 9. März 2018 18:16:25 CET Sam Whited wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, at 10:53, Georg Lukas wrote: >> > as part of Easy XMPP I wanted to have a way to completely migrate from >> > one account to another, or to be able to move a subset of

[Standards] [OT] Meetup in Berlin on Friday

2018-03-12 Thread Holger Weiß
The next XMPP Meetup in Berlin will take place on Friday, March 16th, 18:00 at Ammonit, Wrangelstr. 100, 10997 Berlin (ground floor). This time, Florian Schmaus will be visiting us to discuss some of the things he's working on. See: https://0x0.st/Ei If you'd like to talk to us, you can

Re: [Standards] [OT] Meetup in Berlin on Friday

2018-03-12 Thread W. Martin Borgert
On 2018-03-12 23:08, Holger Weiß wrote: > If you'd like to talk to us, you can join our MUC room: > > berlin-mee...@conference.conversations.im And we even have a pubsub node you can subscribe to: https://de.movim.eu/?node/pubsub.movim.eu/berlin-xmpp-meetup _