As an experiment, the actions from this meeting are at https://github.com/xsf/xeps/issues/601
On 7 March 2018 at 17:47, Dave Cridland <d...@cridland.net> wrote: > A short reminder on Council voting: > > Council can vote on anything - while a Call For Experience is not a > "Status Change" and thus does not require a vote, Council can still > vote to ask the Editor to do one. Council members vote either +1 or 0 > (the latter is often written signed, and may indicate a leaning), or > may veto with -1. A single veto causes the motion to fail; otherwise a > majority of the Council must vote +1 for the motion to pass. > > 1) Roll Call > > All present, but as Georg arrived Dave had to leave unexpectedly, thus > Kev actually chaired. [Speaking personally, many thanks to Kev for > taking on this monster meeting at no notice] > > [ 2) Elided since the lack of a minute-taker was already noted ] > > 3) CFE for XEP-0020: Feature Negotiation > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0020.html > > Kev noted the ground rules: Each of these votes has two parts - first > whether to Call For Experience before moving to Final, the second to > instead deprecate it. This one is for CFE with the intention to later > move to Final. Georg queried if this were in use anywhere and noted a > number of XEPs which reference it; Kev didn't think it was in use > anywhere in practise. > > Daniel, Georg, Kev all -1 for CFE, Sam +0 > > 4) Deprecate XEP-0020: Feature Negotiation > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0020.html > > Daniel, Georg, Kev all +1 for Deprecate, Sam +0 > > 5) CFE for XEP-0048: Bookmarks > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html > > Kev felt this was premature while the ongoing 49/223 mismatch quesiton > isn't answered - Georg agreed this was the elephant in the room. Sam > felt that a CFE might draw out more feedback. Georg agreed that a CFE, > with an additional note about '49, might do the trick. > > Georg, Daniel, Sam +1 for CFE, Kev 0. > > 6) Deprecate XEP-0048: Bookmarks > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0048.html > > All present -1. > > Kev noted at this point that he would assume anyone +1 for a CFE would > be -1 on the Deprecate, to which Georg agreed and nobody dissented. > > 7) CFE for XEP-0059: Result Set Management > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html > > Georg and Kev both raised the current MAM discussion, and felt that we > should resolve that prior to a CFE. > > Georg, Kev -1, Sam Daniel +1 > > 8) Deprecate XEP-0059: Result Set Management > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0059.html > > All present -1 > > ** Stalemate ** > > 9) CFE for XEP-0066: Out of Band Data > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0066.html > > Daniel asked what this was actually used for, and Georg replied it was > used for inline images in conversations, and suggested it might be > harvested for good parts. Kev opined that the CFE might be interesting > on this one. > > All present +1 > > 10) Deprecate XEP-0066: Out of Band Data > > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0066.html > > All present -1 > > 11) CFE for XEP-0072: SOAP Over XMPP > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0072.html > > Kev suggested that a CFE might make it obvious whether deprecation was > the right option. > > Sam -1, Georg, Kev, Daniel +1 > > 12) Deprecate XEP-0072: SOAP Over XMPP > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0072.html > > Georg, Daniel, Kev -1, Sam +1 > > ** Stalemate ** > > 13) CFE for XEP-0079: Advanced Message Processing > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0079.html > > Kev +1, Daniel, Georg, +0, Sam -0 > > (Some question, here, over voting practises regarding CFE - note above > that the Council may vote on anything). > > 14) Deprecate XEP-0079: Advanced Message Processing > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0079.html > > Kev felt that '79 needed some discussion in the community first, even > if this were not a formal CFE. > > Daniel, Georg, and Kev -1, Sam +1. > > 15) CFE for XEP-0092: Software Version > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0092.html > > All present +1 > > 16) Deprecate XEP-0092: Software Version > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0092.html > > All present -1 > > 17) CFE for XEP-0122: Data Forms Validation > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html > > Georg, Daniel, Kev +1, Sam +0 > > 18) Deprecate XEP-0122: Data Forms Validation > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0122.html > > Kev, Daniel, Georg -1, Sam +1 > > 19) CFE for XEP-0131: Stanza Headers and Internet Metadata > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0131.html > > Georg, Daniel, Kev +1, Sam +0 > > 20) Deprecate XEP-0131: Stanza Headers and Internet Metadata > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0131.html > > Kev, Daniel, Georg -1, Sam +0 > > 21) CFE for XEP-0141: Data Forms Layout > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0141.html > > Georg said he was in favour of deprecation, but only after some discussion. > > Daniel, Georg, Kev +1, Sam -0 > > 22) Deprecate XEP-0141: Data Forms Layout > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0141.html > > Daniel, Georg, Kev -1, Sam +0 > > 23) CFE for XEP-0229: Stream Compression with LZW > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0229.html > > Sam noted he thought he had written an implementation of this for > HipChat (but it may have been gzip). Georg noted the insecurities > around compression if it is not applied very cautiously. > > Daniel, Kev, Sam +1 > Georg -0 > > 24) Deprecate XEP-0229: Stream Compression with LZW > https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0229.html > > Daniel, Kev -1, Sam +0, Georg +1 > > (Dave rejoined here) > > 25) XEP-0045: Implement stable IDs on Reflection #600 > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/600 > > Kev queried the feature string used, Georg suggested it was > "muc_stable_id" to match legacy cases in the XEP, but Kev thought > existing cases used the old URL form. Kev and Georg agreed to resolve > properly after the meeting. > > All present +1 > > 26) XEP-0153: Clarify encoding of update hash #593 > https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/593 > > All present +1 > > 27) Date of next meeting > > Same time next week: Wednesday 14th March, 1600 UTC > > 28) AOB? > > Sam asked that anything we voted on today and ended up with no > consensus to advance or deprecate be added to the agenda for next > meeting. Kev suggested these could be discussed on the list, and Dave > said he would highlight these in the minutes (in these minutes, marked > "Stalemate") > > 29) Kev hung the navel. _______________________________________________ Standards mailing list Info: https://mail.jabber.org/mailman/listinfo/standards Unsubscribe: standards-unsubscr...@xmpp.org _______________________________________________
