Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Ted Husted
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Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Vic Cekvenich
First and most important, thanks for addressing the concerns! It's fine line threaded here with lots of gray area. I will study (legalize), and maybe respond my opinion as to what I think of it, but there are things not addressed at the first glance such as that there are more than one thing

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Ted Husted
Vic, my friend, You're really not getting this. JSTL is not a replacement for Struts. Nor JSF is a replacement for Struts. They are both technologies that you can use with Struts and get more bang for your development buck. Some people are saying that with a really good implementation of JSF,

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Ted Husted
Ted Husted wrote: Some people are saying that with a really good implementation of JSF, you might [not] need Struts. ^ : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Bill Johnson
, June 07, 2003 2:27 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces Vic, my friend, You're really not getting this. JSTL is not a replacement for Struts. Nor JSF is a replacement for Struts. They are both technologies that you can use

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Ted Husted
Not every Java developer is willing to simply accept whatever technology Sun or the JCP brings out. If we were, there wouldn't be Velocity and Tapestry and Turbine and Maverick and WebWorks and JPublish, and quite a few others. But, regardless of what happens next, just as dinosaurs live on as

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Vic Cekvenich
I see it spun as replacement to Struts: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=struts-userm=105467147713194w=2 Above says: the upcoming EA4 release of JavaServer Faces includes some pretty dramatic improvements in the C part of the equation So ... more of a replacement, I comprehended (Struts is View

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-07 Thread Ted Husted
Vic, you're making no sense at all. Craig said, I don't view Struts as dying -- after all, it is a stable, mature, platform for web application development that can be used today, while JavaServer Faces is still in Early Access and cannot be employed in production apps. And, you can use

http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread Vic Cekvenich
(hope this does not detract from more important issues) http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces To the extent that this implies Struts _should_ integrate to Sun JSF, I do not like it. This is quite different than JSTL, which was an Apache License. Maybe there should

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread David Graham
I don't understand the problem you have with Struts integrating with JSF. JSF is the Java *standard* web GUI library. David (hope this does not detract from more important issues) http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces To the extent that this implies Struts _should_

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread Vic Cekvenich
. If David Graham wrote: I don't understand the problem you have with Struts integrating with JSF. JSF is the Java *standard* web GUI library. David (hope this does not detract from more important issues) http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces To the extent that this implies

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread David Graham
Struts takes no part of Sun JSF. If David Graham wrote: I don't understand the problem you have with Struts integrating with JSF. JSF is the Java *standard* web GUI library. David (hope this does not detract from more important issues) http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread Vic Cekvenich
important issues) http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces To the extent that this implies Struts _should_ integrate to Sun JSF, I do not like it. This is quite different than JSTL, which was an Apache License. Maybe there should be integrations posted in cvs apache

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread David Graham
integrating with JSF. JSF is the Java *standard* web GUI library. David (hope this does not detract from more important issues) http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces To the extent that this implies Struts _should_ integrate to Sun JSF, I do not like it. This is quite

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread Vic Cekvenich
*standard* web GUI library. David (hope this does not detract from more important issues) http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces To the extent that this implies Struts _should_ integrate to Sun JSF, I do not like it. This is quite different than JSTL, which was an Apache

RE: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread Steve Raeburn
Vic, The JSF Expert group includes : Specification Lead Ed Burns Sun Microsystems, Inc. Craig R. McClanahanSun Microsystems, Inc. Expert Group Aligo, Inc. Apache Software Foundation BEA Systems Bayern, Shawn Bergsten, Hans Berkovitz, Joseph

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread Vic Cekvenich
Is ASF allowed to distribute Sun JDK? Not AFAIK. I think main argument is license, ex: what is cost of JSF? Is it similar to JBoss issue? I am not against JSF integration w/Struts at all. The more the better. When there is only a single choice, this can't be good, standard or not. No one has

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-06 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Vic Cekvenich wrote: Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 17:20:26 -0400 From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces (hope this does

Re: http://cvs.apache.org/builds/jakarta-struts/nightly/struts-faces

2003-06-05 Thread Arron Bates
Isn't JSF just another spec like Servlets and JSP?... Any vendor can make a JSP impl based on the spec, so they should also be able to make a JSF impl. Struts-Faces allows Struts to play with any compliant JSF implementation. If it doesn't we get to go Craig-bashing. :) Struts plays with