Sundar Narasimhan wrote:
a lot more benefits. I think an open plugin-based IDE like Eclipse
can do much, much more.. by actually embedding Emacs within the IDE as
a true component plugin, much like it allows the embedding of multiple
HTML/JSP editors, viewers or VCM tools etc.
Emacs is most
Real Men program with punch cards! Using an old rust knitting needle!?!
What is a VDU anyway???
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From: Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: [OT]: What is vim?
Oh, quit
actually the vimulator on jEdit is buggy.
No, sorry for the confusion. I'm not using the vim emulator on jEdit,
I'm using the standard vim on Linux (and then also jEdit on
Linux when I
have to get stuff done quickly and don't have the time to learn vim:)
Easy yank for Vim v0.99b1:
use
:). In any case, OTI is an ex-Smalltalk IDE shop, so I presume there's
a strong NIH syndrome there similar to most other IDE's I've run
across --
Then why is there an Emacs keybinding preference setting but none for vi?
David
Huh? I can't quite understand what you are asking David. If you are
I think an open
plugin-based IDE like Eclipse can do much, much more.. by
actually embedding Emacs within the IDE as a true component
plugin, much like it allows the embedding of multiple
HTML/JSP editors, viewers or VCM tools etc.
Amen! I'm torn between the two and having the power
I don't use it but eclipse does have an emacs keybindings preference.
David
From: James Higginbotham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT
editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 09:15:35 -0600
I think an open
plugin-based IDE like Eclipse can do much, much more..
by actually
embedding Emacs within the IDE as a true component
plugin, much like
it allows the embedding of multiple HTML/JSP
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:21:23 -0600
James Childers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But once the initial effort is made it is a huge
timesaver. You just have to decide to learn it and stick with that
decision.
I'm forcing myself to use vim more (although I still use jEdit with some
plugins to do just
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:21:23 -0600
James Childers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But once the initial effort is made it is a huge
timesaver. You just
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:21:02 -0500
Pani, Gourav [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
actually the vimulator on jEdit is buggy.
No, sorry for the confusion. I'm not using the vim emulator on jEdit,
I'm using the standard vim on Linux (and then also jEdit on Linux when I
have to get stuff done quickly and
Try this:
http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=386
-= J
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:21:02 -0500
Pani, Gourav [EMAIL
, 2003 2:39 PM
Try this:
http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=386
-= J
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:21:02 -0500
Pani, Gourav
hear hear mark.
ps: could you fix the vimulator for jEdit please? ;)
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless
because they can!
Simon
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
weenie with a
masochistic bent
Admit it, Simon. I'm your hero.
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From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I have to agree with Mark here, even though I hate to encourage him! :-) Any
More of an anti-hero. ;-)
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Admit it, Simon. I'm your hero.
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From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto
VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
weenie with a
masochistic bent. And any non-dot-completion editor refines
your sense of
the API because it forces you to RTFM.
Mark
I use an ide and am referencing javadoc all the time anyways. I don't see
any correlation between ide
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:56:45 -0500
Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And any non-dot-completion editor refines
your sense of the API because it forces you to RTFM.
Ok, I see the whole vi/emacs/IDE wars starting up:) Sure in the
beginning a newbie should learn to use a basic text editor
are
much more important than autocomplete (although it is a nice feature to
have).
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:56:45 -0500
Oh, quit yer whining
http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/hack/realmen.html
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 14:56:45 -0500
Mark
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 16:14:12 -0500
Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, quit yer whining
http://www.ee.ryerson.ca:8080/~elf/hack/realmen.html
And don't forget... My mom can beat up your mom:)
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Rick Reumann
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: Monday, March 03, 2003 12:56 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT]: What is vim?
VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
weenie with a
masochistic bent. And any non-dot-completion editor refines
your sense of
the API because it forces you to RTFM
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From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
weenie with a
masochistic bent. And any non-dot-completion editor refines
editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that's not the argument
here). I'm not quite saying
.
Simon
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VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
weenie with a
masochistic bent. And any non-dot-completion
: March 3, 2003 4:38 PM
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Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text
editors. (vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't
Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that's not the argument
here). I'm
Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation that the better programmers use text editors.
(vi or emacs or jedit or vim ... I don't care ... that's
Users Mailing List'
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IDE is what we usually called productivity tool, text editor is not.
There is nothing to do with a developer's skill.
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Users Mailing List'
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IDE is what we usually called productivity tool, text editor is not.
There is nothing to do with a developer's skill.
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observed it enough that, to me, it is a truism.
Simon
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VIM (vi) beats the hell out of EMACS, unless you are a LISP
weenie
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From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 1:38 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Actually, my primary point was text editor usage and programmer ability.
It is my personal observation
, 2003 3:49 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
I think your confusing personal perference with programming skill.
Thats like saying that Ted drink Sprite when most of the
better programmers
drinks Mountain Dew.
-Tim
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From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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There have also been studies that show perl programmers are
generally better
than java programmers.
David
From
You guys are soo easy!
Mark, the Master Bater
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I have no intention of arguing
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You guys are soo easy!
Mark, the Master Bater
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From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto
, 2003 4:58 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
No. I very specifically said that the better programmers CAN use text
editors and command-line tools. This does not mean that they have to,
only that they COULD use them if they choose to. I
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:58:11 -0600
Chappell, Simon P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I now use the Eclipse
IDE for alot of my personal programming because it is like a text
editor that wants to be helpful.
What I don't like about many of the IDEs (including my favorites
Intellij and Eclipse) was
I believe Eclipse 2.1 (due out this month) supports user defined key
bindings.
David
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i agree with simon to a certain degree. personally, i got a lot better
understanding of programming when i was forced into an environment where i
had
Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
No. I very specifically said that the better programmers CAN use text
editors and command-line tools. This does not mean that they have to, only
that they COULD use them if they choose to. I now use the Eclipse IDE for
alot of my
Well, you are full of shyte. Okay?
Mark (been a master carpenter and Java certified)
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From: John Espey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:40 PM
To: Struts Users Mailing List
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I
editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
No. I very specifically said that the better programmers CAN use text
editors and command-line tools. This does not mean that they have to,
only
that they COULD use them if they choose to. I now use the Eclipse IDE
for
alot of my personal programming because
Do you hang that next to your WordPerfect certification?
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 2:49 PM
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Well, you are full
Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking?
-Original Message-
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Well
List
Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking?
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GINGER! And she can whip me with bamboo anytime!
Mark
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From: Jeff Kyser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 5:57 PM
Wow, this argument is about as winnable as a 'Ginger or Mary Anne'
discussion
and not nearly as interesting. Although the diatribes
Nah - right next to my VB-3 cert!
Mark
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Do you hang that next to your WordPerfect
Espey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:02 PM
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Java Certified? That proves it conclusively then. What was I thinking?
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From: Mark Galbreath [mailto
I didn't want to get into this -- since editors are religion :) but
personally I use editors for editing code (although I must admit that
Eclipse's ctrl-space/and factoring helpers are beginning to win me
over :), and IDE's for debugging. (in multi-threaded apps, there's no
comparison -- I can be
wonder why.
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From: Sundar Narasimhan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 6:35 PM
In summary, I like my hybrid approach. And I am trying to convince Eclipse
guys to have / create a true Emacs plugin .. although I don't see any takers
yet.
2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Wow, this argument is about as winnable as a 'Ginger or Mary Anne'
discussion
and not nearly as interesting. Although the diatribes about
productivity are
kinda humorous, given the context ;)
-jeff
In summary, I like my hybrid approach. And I am trying to convince =
Eclipse
guys to have / create a true Emacs plugin .. although I don't see any =
takers
yet.
wonder why.
I don't see any smileys, so I'll presume you are asking this
seriously.
I did submit a bug report/enhancement
:). In any case, OTI is an ex-Smalltalk IDE shop, so I presume there's
a strong NIH syndrome there similar to most other IDE's I've run
across --
Then why is there an Emacs keybinding preference setting but none for vi?
David
_
Add
.
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From: Jeff Kyser [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 4:57 PM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
Wow, this argument is about as winnable as a 'Ginger or Mary Anne'
discussion
and not nearly
who are ginger and mary anne?
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From: Jaye Bass [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 04 March 2003 01:43
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Subject: RE: [OT] Text editor usage (was RE: [OT]: What is vim?)
First off...I'd take Mary Ann any day. Second I love IntelliJ
On Tue, Mar 04,'03 (01:44 AM GMT-), Sean wrote:
who are ginger and mary anne?
Ginger:
http://www.gilligansisle.com/ginger.html
Mary Ann
http://www.gilligansisle.com/mary.html
(Sad that I actually looked this up on Google:)
--
Rick
On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 20:58, Rick Reumann wrote:
Ginger:
http://www.gilligansisle.com/ginger.html
Mary Ann
http://www.gilligansisle.com/mary.html
(Sad that I actually looked this up on Google:)
Yeah...
The rest of us already had those pages bookmarked ;)
Dave
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