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A manager I worked with said he standardised everything so work could be de-skilled & cheap staff used.Then the fun part was finding the experts who can be more productive if they deviate from the standard procedures. THis was a was non IT manager but the same applies for IT I think. I saw a repor

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> True, but I'm still here because of geo-relegious* reasons and that > makes up and moving off difficult. This means that I need to stay in the > arena and keep swinging the sword of common sense, among others, for a > while yet. > > Simon > > * I am assisting in the startup of a United Pentecos

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> That doesn't make you an individual, that makes you a sick puppy. > ... > > >Mark (wears jeans and hiking boots to the office now) > > > > > >As opposed to Andrew who expresses his in-duh-viduality by > >wearing a jacket > >in a tropical climate when his colleagues wear t-shirts... ;-) Standar

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and if you think this is bad, stick around for friday! ;-) >-Original Message- >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:16 PM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT]

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The [OT] designation indicates this thread is garbage, so don't get your pantyhose in a knot, dude. -Original Message- From: Kenny Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 4:08 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (w

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Who cares! Are you really just arguing capitalization instead of trying to help the person? Come on... this list is for helping people. Kenny Smith Mark Galbreath wrote: Are you saying Java is not case sensitive nor conforms to naming standards? "Collections" is not "collections." -Origina

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Are you saying Java is not case sensitive nor conforms to naming standards? "Collections" is not "collections." -Original Message- From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:40 PM http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/c

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-Original Message- From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:40 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commo

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On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Jacob Hookom wrote: > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:22:34 -0600 > From: Jacob Hookom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE:

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http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/api/org/apache/commons/collect ions/FastHashMap.html -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 1:36 PM To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environ

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No such thing. Collections is a class. -Original Message- From: Jacob Hookom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:23 PM ...(such as in the Fast*** implementations in the Collections package) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For addit

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List' Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) Only if you can tell the difference between a Hashtable and a vector (or a Collection and a Collections) -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 200

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Only if you can tell the difference between a Hashtable and a vector (or a Collection and a Collections) -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:26 AM If I wasn't working here for geographical/religious reasons, then I'

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Hi all, --- "Chappell, Simon P" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Typically management worry about not having someone to blame if there is a problem. You gotcha! > I told him that there was the ASF, but that there is an explicit no warranty clause >in the > Apache license. And do Microsoft, IBM, S

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and productivity of the work environment. Best of luck to you Celeste -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:55 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE

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>Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:02 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Wow. Sounds like you have issues of controlling egos entering >into the equation. At this point I would just throw my hands >up

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03 10:55 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > Celeste, > > Actually, I do have full rights to my machine. You should see > the list of non-approved software on here! :-D > > Concerning starting a

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Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Simon, > >To my knowledge, on Windows 2000, you can put people into >"roles", such as >Admin, User, etc. This will limit the user's ability to >install soft

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nt staff in the Admin role on their machines. Celeste -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:26 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) Celeste, With Window

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That doesn't make you an individual, that makes you a sick puppy. >-Original Message- >From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:25 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Ecli

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January 2003 00:18 To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) One of the reasons I left the T-Mobile project was because the client was incredibly anal-retentive about the most trivial crap. As I always say, "Don't sweat

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Haseltine, Celeste [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:13 AM >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Simon, > >How in the world can you lock down a developers machi

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Simon, How in the world can you lock down a developers machine? Not only is that non-productive in my opinion, but I suspect that half the staff would be spending some of their time trying to figure out the admin password on their machine, just to "remove" the "lock" (for Windows only operating

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ts to the office now) -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them f

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uts Users Mailing List' Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my opinion. as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the chronologically challenged members of the team but alas,

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Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > > Typically management worry about not having someone to blame > if there is a problem. My own manager was asking who we would > have recourse against (is th

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: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >What about management? I'm sure they liked the idea of saving alot of >money. But how did they respond to open source solutions? > >-Original Message- >From

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ubject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) most of the process took about 6 months, which isn't bad at all in my opinion. as far as opposition is concered, we got some from the chronologically challenged members of the team but alas, they were outnumbered. my only wish

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would really be complete. -Original Message- From: Vinh Tran [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:31 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) Wow...that is quite a transition. I'm curious to kno

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ubject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) Suddenly my life doesn't look so bad. :) When I first started working for my company we were using Websphere Application Server, Websphere Application Developer, Oracle/DB2 on Unix servers. Now we use Struts, Apache,

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>-Original Message- >From: Durham David Cntr 805CSS/SCBE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:19 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >That's why you could n

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rav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:04 AM > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List' > >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] > Eclipse IDE) > > > > > >Oh and I forgot to add Ant, Log4J, Cactus and Scarab.

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CTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:00 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: Re: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > >Waaa ! > >It took us 2 years to come to struts + log4j. I'm trying to >promote tomcat >and eclipse as test/

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: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) Waaa ! It took us 2 years to come to struts + log4j. I'm trying to promote tomcat and eclipse as test/development platform... for 2004 ? Perhaps Linux and PostgreSQL in 2020. Nico. > Suddenly my life doesn't look so b

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) > > > I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable > discount)

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Similar things going on where I am at. It's to be expected when you work for the military. :) (I work with highly insensitive materials, however at night I'm a secret agent. The two aren't related.) It's mostly a lot of talk though. "You will use that and you will not use anything else." I

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t bad. -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 9:45 AM To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a

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I wear jeans. (Although I do buy them from the company at a very reasonable discount) >-Original Message- >From: Andrew Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:40 AM >To: Struts Users Mailing List >Subject: RE: [OT] Standardised Environmen

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So, do you have to pay for your own uniforms, or does the company supply them? -Original Message- From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2003 22:31 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [OT] Standardised Environments (was RE: [OT] Eclipse IDE) Our