Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[Matt Thompson via subsurface]

On Sat, Oct 31, 2020 at 11:47 AM Dirk Hohndel  wrote:

>
>
> On Oct 30, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Matt Thompson wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>>
> Installed fine other than the usual panic messages about installing from a
> questionable source.
>
>
> But it does list "Dirk Hohndel, Open Source Developer", not "unknown
> developer", correct?
>
> I didn't catch what it said.  I've been conditioned to ignore those
warnings... :D I did try to uninstall and reinstall to test it again but I
did not get any warnings the second time around.


> PS: this also is the first build that has early Garmin Descent Mk2
>> support...
>>
> I wish...
>
>
> It's actually a very nice device. I'm quite impressed. A huge step forward
> from the Descent Mk1.
> I haven't tried it in the water, yet, so I can't talk to the "during the
> dive" experience (which wasn't fantastic with the Mk1), but as a
> Sport/SmartWatch it's definitely nice.
>
> Looking forward to your full review!

>
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Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

See my other message on this topic.
Yes, that works - the Windows BLE support was actually developed using the 
Perdix AI.
Turn off your iPhone, go to a quiet place with as few BLE devices as possible 
(how about a nice little island, or a mountain top, or maybe a basement room).

Unpair the Perdix from the Windows machine. Reboot the Windows machine.
Pair using the OS features.
Start Subsurface, turn the Perdix into Bluetooth mode, scan for it from the 
download dialog.

You may have to go through that sequence a few times. But it WILL work 
eventually. This is described in much more detail in the user manual.

/D

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 6:22 AM, tormento via subsurface 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's working ok on my Windows 10 platform.
> 
> I hoped that a x64 compile could fix my problem with Perdix AI and BT 
> download but no way.
> 
> Is there anybody here who has Windows 10 and a Shearwater and can download 
> dives?
> 
> Alberto
> 
> Il giorno ven 30 ott 2020 alle ore 20:54 Dirk Hohndel via subsurface 
>  > ha scritto:
> We now have a couple of 64bit installers for testing:
> 
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>  
> 
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/smtk2ssrf-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
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Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

The only thing that changed in the installer is that from now on the default 
file is 64bit installer.
So if you happen to have a 32bit machine (that means likely more than a decade 
old) then this won't work.
I have no interest in providing non-installers for Windows. I already have to 
create a ridiculous number of builds (more than 30 per version)

/D

> On Oct 31, 2020, at 2:06 AM, tormento wrote:
> 
> @Dirk Hohndel  
> 
> Did you change the installer? I can't unpack it anymore. Would you please 
> provide ZIP (or RAR or 7Z) too?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alberto
> 
> Il giorno ven 30 ott 2020 alle ore 20:54 Dirk Hohndel via subsurface 
>  > ha scritto:
> We now have a couple of 64bit installers for testing:
> 
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>  
> 
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/smtk2ssrf-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>  
> 
> 
> I have done some fairly basic testing, but of course that barely scratches 
> the surface of our functionality.
> Can people please try downloading from various dive computers (simply create 
> a new divelog with Ctrl-W and download, if it actually downloads a few it's 
> ok to cancel - the point is 'does it talk to the dive computer').
> 
> I'd love to hear back from as many Windows users as possible before we do a 
> release that uses this new build.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> /D
> 
> PS: this also is the first build that has early Garmin Descent Mk2 support...
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Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

> On Oct 30, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Matt Thompson wrote:
> 
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>  
> 
> Installed fine other than the usual panic messages about installing from a 
> questionable source.

But it does list "Dirk Hohndel, Open Source Developer", not "unknown 
developer", correct?

> I have done some fairly basic testing, but of course that barely scratches 
> the surface of our functionality.
> Can people please try downloading from various dive computers (simply create 
> a new divelog with Ctrl-W and download, if it actually downloads a few it's 
> ok to cancel - the point is 'does it talk to the dive computer').
> 
> I was able to download dives from all three of my computers.  Atomic Cobalt 
> 2, Suunto D4i, and Aqua Lung i750tc.  They all worked fine.  I did some very 
> basic poking around and didn't notice any problems.  The plots looked 
> reasonable, statistics appeared normal, printing to a PDF worked.  When 
> printing, the overlay icons (bookmarks, gas switches) in the dive plots are 
> gigantic. The print preview didn't show anything but also did not crash.

Yeah, there is something weird going on in some circumstances with the icon 
size.
I wish someone would spend the time tracking this down - there are just WAY too 
many things on my todo list.
 
> PS: this also is the first build that has early Garmin Descent Mk2 support...
> I wish...

It's actually a very nice device. I'm quite impressed. A huge step forward from 
the Descent Mk1.
I haven't tried it in the water, yet, so I can't talk to the "during the dive" 
experience (which wasn't fantastic with the Mk1), but as a Sport/SmartWatch 
it's definitely nice.

/D

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Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[tormento via subsurface]

It's working ok on my Windows 10 platform.

I hoped that a x64 compile could fix my problem with Perdix AI and BT
download but no way.

Is there anybody here who has Windows 10 and a Shearwater and can download
dives?

Alberto

Il giorno ven 30 ott 2020 alle ore 20:54 Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> ha scritto:

> We now have a couple of 64bit installers for testing:
>
>
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/smtk2ssrf-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
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Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[tormento via subsurface]

@Dirk Hohndel 

Did you change the installer? I can't unpack it anymore. Would you please
provide ZIP (or RAR or 7Z) too?

Thanks,

Alberto

Il giorno ven 30 ott 2020 alle ore 20:54 Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> ha scritto:

> We now have a couple of 64bit installers for testing:
>
>
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/smtk2ssrf-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>
> I have done some fairly basic testing, but of course that barely scratches
> the surface of our functionality.
> Can people please try downloading from various dive computers (simply
> create a new divelog with Ctrl-W and download, if it actually downloads a
> few it's ok to cancel - the point is 'does it talk to the dive computer').
>
> I'd love to hear back from as many Windows users as possible before we do
> a release that uses this new build.
>
> Thanks
>
> /D
>
> PS: this also is the first build that has early Garmin Descent Mk2
> support...
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Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[Matt Thompson via subsurface]

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 2:54 PM Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

> We now have a couple of 64bit installers for testing:
>
>
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>
Installed fine other than the usual panic messages about installing from a
questionable source.


>
> I have done some fairly basic testing, but of course that barely scratches
> the surface of our functionality.
> Can people please try downloading from various dive computers (simply
> create a new divelog with Ctrl-W and download, if it actually downloads a
> few it's ok to cancel - the point is 'does it talk to the dive computer').
>
> I was able to download dives from all three of my computers.  Atomic
Cobalt 2, Suunto D4i, and Aqua Lung i750tc.  They all worked fine.  I did
some very basic poking around and didn't notice any problems.  The plots
looked reasonable, statistics appeared normal, printing to a PDF worked.
When printing, the overlay icons (bookmarks, gas switches) in the dive
plots are gigantic. The print preview didn't show anything but also did not
crash.


> PS: this also is the first build that has early Garmin Descent Mk2
> support...
>
I wish...


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Re: please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[Federico Masias via subsurface]

Hi Dirk,

Installs fine. When trying to download with USB from an Aqualung i200
(before I downloaded the drivers for PC), I realized my error and tried to
cancel the download, and subsurface just hung there until forced to quit
via task manager.

Print preview causes a crash.

After installing the drivers, download works fine. Syncing from the cloud
works fine. Actually printing to Adobe PDF writer works.

Federico

On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

> We now have a couple of 64bit installers for testing:
>
>
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>
> https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/smtk2ssrf-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
>
> I have done some fairly basic testing, but of course that barely scratches
> the surface of our functionality.
> Can people please try downloading from various dive computers (simply
> create a new divelog with Ctrl-W and download, if it actually downloads a
> few it's ok to cancel - the point is 'does it talk to the dive computer').
>
> I'd love to hear back from as many Windows users as possible before we do
> a release that uses this new build.
>
> Thanks
>
> /D
>
> PS: this also is the first build that has early Garmin Descent Mk2
> support...
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please TEST!!!! [was Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit]

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

We now have a couple of 64bit installers for testing:

https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/subsurface-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
https://subsurface-divelog.org/downloads/test/smtk2ssrf-4.9.7-223-gbd0d7bd0faa1.exe
 


I have done some fairly basic testing, but of course that barely scratches the 
surface of our functionality.
Can people please try downloading from various dive computers (simply create a 
new divelog with Ctrl-W and download, if it actually downloads a few it's ok to 
cancel - the point is 'does it talk to the dive computer').

I'd love to hear back from as many Windows users as possible before we do a 
release that uses this new build.

Thanks

/D

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Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit

[tormento via subsurface]

YES PLEASE! :)

Alberto

Il giorno gio 29 ott 2020 alle 23:57 Dirk Hohndel via subsurface <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> ha scritto:

> I'm considering moving our default Windows build to 64bit - it's 2020
> after all.
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Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

And that's the crux.
At least on iOS you cannot download from a Garmin Descent - we have no way to 
support BLE downloads for those.
I'm trying to figure out if an Android USB download would be feasible. I doubt 
it, but I haven't even looked if there is any MTP initiator support on modern 
Android.

/D

On October 29, 2020 8:25:39 PM PDT, Richard Houser  
wrote:
>The last 32-bit mainstream Intel processor was a 2002 era Pentium-4,
>right?  AMD switched earlier.
>
>> the likely overlap between people with a $1200+ brand new dive
>computer and
>a 32bit Windows machine is... small.
>
>I'm thinking the overlap is probably higher than you think.  A lot of
>people with plenty of disposable income have stopped using PCs
>entirely, switching entirely to tablets and phones.  There really
>weren't many viable options in that space back in 2002, hence a
>traditional PC.
>
>My gut tells me that these same individuals are likely using
>phones/tablets most of the time, however.  The chances of one of those
>Windows users having only a 32-bit only PC and no compatible
>phone/tablet is likely vanishingly small.  As long as that device
>works on mobile, it's probably a non-issue, provided advance notice is
>given.
>
>On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 6:57 PM Dirk Hohndel via subsurface
> wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering moving our default Windows build to 64bit - it's 2020
>after all.
>> Some studying of the information I can get from the people who have
>enabled the update
>> notifications tells me that we still have at least 50 users running
>Windows on actual 32bit
>> hardware - so below 1% of our Windows user base (but the number could
>be higher if a
>> lot of 32bit Windows users have disabled the update check).
>>
>> Either way, I think that's too many to completely drop having a 32bit
>binary, but it certainly
>> seems to make it reasonable to switch to 64bit by default.
>>
>> One thing that is triggering this is that I am having problems
>getting a working libmtp
>> build on a 32bit MXE build. It's entirely possible that that's simply
>my own fault, but
>> oddly the moment I tried a 64bit build it worked...
>> Of course we only need libmtp (so far) for the brand new Garmin
>Descent Mk2/Mk2i,
>> and the likely overlap between people with a $1200+ brand new dive
>computer and
>> a 32bit Windows machine is... small.
>>
>> Curious to hear people's thoughts.
>>
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Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit

[Richard Houser via subsurface]

The last 32-bit mainstream Intel processor was a 2002 era Pentium-4,
right?  AMD switched earlier.

> the likely overlap between people with a $1200+ brand new dive computer and
a 32bit Windows machine is... small.

I'm thinking the overlap is probably higher than you think.  A lot of
people with plenty of disposable income have stopped using PCs
entirely, switching entirely to tablets and phones.  There really
weren't many viable options in that space back in 2002, hence a
traditional PC.

My gut tells me that these same individuals are likely using
phones/tablets most of the time, however.  The chances of one of those
Windows users having only a 32-bit only PC and no compatible
phone/tablet is likely vanishingly small.  As long as that device
works on mobile, it's probably a non-issue, provided advance notice is
given.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2020 at 6:57 PM Dirk Hohndel via subsurface
 wrote:
>
> I'm considering moving our default Windows build to 64bit - it's 2020 after 
> all.
> Some studying of the information I can get from the people who have enabled 
> the update
> notifications tells me that we still have at least 50 users running Windows 
> on actual 32bit
> hardware - so below 1% of our Windows user base (but the number could be 
> higher if a
> lot of 32bit Windows users have disabled the update check).
>
> Either way, I think that's too many to completely drop having a 32bit binary, 
> but it certainly
> seems to make it reasonable to switch to 64bit by default.
>
> One thing that is triggering this is that I am having problems getting a 
> working libmtp
> build on a 32bit MXE build. It's entirely possible that that's simply my own 
> fault, but
> oddly the moment I tried a 64bit build it worked...
> Of course we only need libmtp (so far) for the brand new Garmin Descent 
> Mk2/Mk2i,
> and the likely overlap between people with a $1200+ brand new dive computer 
> and
> a 32bit Windows machine is... small.
>
> Curious to hear people's thoughts.
>
> /D
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Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

So we have working 32bit builds up until today's master and I am thinking of 
ways to continue to have 32 bit builds, just potentially without the ability to 
download from the Garmin Descent Mk2 - unless I can fix that part.

Likely we'll just have two binaries, just like we have for macOS.

/D

> On Oct 29, 2020, at 4:05 PM, Stephen Goodall 
>  wrote:
> 
> Could you do a 32-bit "freeze", so it still works but you don't need to worry 
> about building it in future?
> Or maybe just do builds for major milestones so it's less often for you?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 9:57 am Dirk Hohndel via subsurface, 
>  > wrote:
> I'm considering moving our default Windows build to 64bit - it's 2020 after 
> all.
> Some studying of the information I can get from the people who have enabled 
> the update 
> notifications tells me that we still have at least 50 users running Windows 
> on actual 32bit 
> hardware - so below 1% of our Windows user base (but the number could be 
> higher if a
> lot of 32bit Windows users have disabled the update check).
> 
> Either way, I think that's too many to completely drop having a 32bit binary, 
> but it certainly 
> seems to make it reasonable to switch to 64bit by default.
> 
> One thing that is triggering this is that I am having problems getting a 
> working libmtp
> build on a 32bit MXE build. It's entirely possible that that's simply my own 
> fault, but
> oddly the moment I tried a 64bit build it worked...
> Of course we only need libmtp (so far) for the brand new Garmin Descent 
> Mk2/Mk2i,
> and the likely overlap between people with a $1200+ brand new dive computer 
> and
> a 32bit Windows machine is... small.
> 
> Curious to hear people's thoughts.
> 
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Re: Windows 32 and 64 bit

[Stephen Goodall via subsurface]

Could you do a 32-bit "freeze", so it still works but you don't need to
worry about building it in future?
Or maybe just do builds for major milestones so it's less often for you?


On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, 9:57 am Dirk Hohndel via subsurface, <
subsurface@subsurface-divelog.org> wrote:

> I'm considering moving our default Windows build to 64bit - it's 2020
> after all.
> Some studying of the information I can get from the people who have
> enabled the update
> notifications tells me that we still have at least 50 users running
> Windows on actual 32bit
> hardware - so below 1% of our Windows user base (but the number could be
> higher if a
> lot of 32bit Windows users have disabled the update check).
>
> Either way, I think that's too many to completely drop having a 32bit
> binary, but it certainly
> seems to make it reasonable to switch to 64bit by default.
>
> One thing that is triggering this is that I am having problems getting a
> working libmtp
> build on a 32bit MXE build. It's entirely possible that that's simply my
> own fault, but
> oddly the moment I tried a 64bit build it worked...
> Of course we only need libmtp (so far) for the brand new Garmin Descent
> Mk2/Mk2i,
> and the likely overlap between people with a $1200+ brand new dive
> computer and
> a 32bit Windows machine is... small.
>
> Curious to hear people's thoughts.
>
> /D
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Windows 32 and 64 bit

[Dirk Hohndel via subsurface]

I'm considering moving our default Windows build to 64bit - it's 2020 after all.
Some studying of the information I can get from the people who have enabled the 
update 
notifications tells me that we still have at least 50 users running Windows on 
actual 32bit 
hardware - so below 1% of our Windows user base (but the number could be higher 
if a
lot of 32bit Windows users have disabled the update check).

Either way, I think that's too many to completely drop having a 32bit binary, 
but it certainly 
seems to make it reasonable to switch to 64bit by default.

One thing that is triggering this is that I am having problems getting a 
working libmtp
build on a 32bit MXE build. It's entirely possible that that's simply my own 
fault, but
oddly the moment I tried a 64bit build it worked...
Of course we only need libmtp (so far) for the brand new Garmin Descent 
Mk2/Mk2i,
and the likely overlap between people with a $1200+ brand new dive computer and
a 32bit Windows machine is... small.

Curious to hear people's thoughts.

/D
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