Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Been bothered by the seeming approach found too often in Sugar -- To set things 'right', re-start Sugar. {like with windows!} Do you mean when you change settings in the control panel? We hope to do a better job for the next release so that you can change preferences

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Simon Schampijer wrote: Mikus Grinbergs wrote: Been bothered by the seeming approach found too often in Sugar -- To set things 'right', re-start Sugar. {like with windows!} Do you mean when you change settings in the control panel? We hope to do a better job for the next release so

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 3:14 AM, Martin Langhoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael's analysis is useful inasmuch we can read it going forward. As Michael, I wasn't here 2 years ago, but I have been on the ground on many projects under tight deadlines. It's not

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Michael Stone wrote: After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are a few initial comments. 1) Sugar could better hold contributors if it (and its web presence) were designed to be extended and

Re: [sugar] SMS messaging

2008-07-23 Thread Guillaume Desmottes
Le mardi 22 juillet 2008 à 18:36 -0400, Ankur Verma a écrit : Message is in the format Nick_Name:Message. Though its true that Nicknames are not unique across a school, but it is the only way to specify XO in a user-friendly manner. If XO is not currently connected, a SMS autoreply will

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 9:36 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Stone wrote: After mild provocation, Marco and Tomeu asked me to publish some of my reactions to sugar's architecture, design, and implementation. Here are a few initial comments. 1) Sugar could better hold

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 7:56 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [2]: I consider web-browsers and Unix shells to be fluent translators for the programmers who I expect to be hacking on Sugar as opposed to the dbus-introspection tools which currently seem to me to be like novice

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:56 AM, Polychronis Ypodimatopoulos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, circumventing the layers altogether has not been an option either as it would brake backwards compatibility with existing activities (Sugar is a two-year old experimental project and

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:36:27AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Michael Stone wrote: [...] Evidence: Non-extensible aspects of Sugar like activity launching, home view layout, frame contents, and the presence service have stagnated. [...] For sugar core - I don't think that

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Simon Schampijer
Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:36:27AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Michael Stone wrote: [...] Evidence: Non-extensible aspects of Sugar like activity launching, home view layout, frame contents, and the presence service have stagnated. [...] For sugar core - I

[sugar] External contributions (Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar)

2008-07-23 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: Sure, some guidance is needed. I hope we have done a decent job to guide you to the places to provide your great fixes :) for example:

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:33:38AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 09:36:27AM +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: For sugar core - I don't think that 'small fixes' need more than python skills. I agree. Of course people also need the knowledge about

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 09:36 +0200, Simon Schampijer wrote: Write, Read, TamTam, Paint, Record, Memorize to name a few have been really struggling lately. There are probably various reasons for that - one might be I that the activities have been taken out from the base system another one

Re: [sugar] External contributions (Re: Remarks on the Work of Sugar)

2008-07-23 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 12:03:42PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Simon Schampijer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sure, some guidance is needed. [...] Tomeu, Simon and Eben has been much more proactive and, what matters most, more *succesfull* than anyone else

[sugar] Reviews report

2008-07-23 Thread Release Team
= Approved requests = Activity launcher fails to show when launching from the journal http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7546 ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar

Re: [sugar] SMS messaging

2008-07-23 Thread Ankur Verma
I can run a bash/python script upon the reception of the message with the message parameters. This makes it flexible enough to call any application. For more details, Please see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/SMS Thanks Ankur On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 4:08 AM, Guillaume Desmottes [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar

2008-07-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
[This does not fit the 'Subject:', but is still worth remarking.] Walter wrote: It is clear from even a casual review of the devel and sugar lists and trac that much of the frustration experienced by both users and developers resides not in the details of, for example, dbus or Python, but

[sugar] joyride-weekly builds for testing.

2008-07-23 Thread Michael Stone
As part of our gradual stabilization program, each week, we're going to nominate the newest non-disqualified Tinderbox-approved joyride build available as of 9:00 AM EDT on Wednesday as the joyride-weekly test candidate for people who are unable to contribute test results against

[sugar] libabiword, libabiword-plugins, pyabiword and abiword merged

2008-07-23 Thread J.M. Maurer
Hi all, I've merged libabiword, libabiword-plugins and pyabiword from OLPC with the official Fedora AbiWord package. libabiword-plugins only existed in OLPC-land, and has been retired. Everything is built through koji now and joyride should build again. If there are any problems (for example,

Re: [sugar] libabiword, libabiword-plugins, pyabiword and abiword merged

2008-07-23 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 22:24 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: Hi all, I've merged libabiword, libabiword-plugins and pyabiword from OLPC with the official Fedora AbiWord package. libabiword-plugins only existed in OLPC-land, and has been retired. Everything is built through koji now and joyride

Re: [sugar] libabiword, libabiword-plugins, pyabiword and abiword merged

2008-07-23 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:34 PM, J.M. Maurer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 22:24 +0200, J.M. Maurer wrote: Hi all, I've merged libabiword, libabiword-plugins and pyabiword from OLPC with the official Fedora AbiWord package. libabiword-plugins only existed in OLPC-land, and

[sugar] Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I do most of my work with CLI from the Terminal. On my XO with Joyride 2201 there is no bash history accessible in Terminal -- hitting up-arrow at the prompt does NOT call up what had been previously entered at the prompt. [bash history is accessible from the text console (alt-ctl-F1).]

Re: [sugar] Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Daniel Drake
On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 19:20 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I do most of my work with CLI from the Terminal. On my XO with Joyride 2201 there is no bash history accessible in Terminal -- hitting up-arrow at the prompt does NOT call up what had been previously entered at the prompt. [bash

Re: [sugar] Remarks on the Work of Sugar (kid contributions)

2008-07-23 Thread John Gilmore
2) Sugar would run more smoothly on-XO if jhbuild were retired. I think this is a good point in the abstract. Do any frequent contributors *not* have an XO? I approve of retiring jhbuild, and handing out XO's to Sugar contributors, but you've really got the question backwards: = Do any

Re: [sugar] Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Am 23.07.2008 um 20:28 schrieb Daniel Drake: On Wed, 2008-07-23 at 19:20 -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: I do most of my work with CLI from the Terminal. On my XO with Joyride 2201 there is no bash history accessible in Terminal -- hitting up-arrow at the prompt does NOT call up what had

Re: [sugar] Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Gary C Martin
Just added a ticket for this myself: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7617 Seems to affect quite a number of keys – at least on my XO B4 with Spanish overlay (worked fine in 2174). I'd previously added ticket (Journal search and frame key have no effect):

Re: [sugar] Joyride 2201 blocker

2008-07-23 Thread Mikus Grinbergs
I get the same result on Joyride 2202 (manually upgraded to 2203). What is happening is that in Terminal on my XO certain keypresses (e.g., up-arrow, right-arrow, end) are not being recognized. mikus ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] Textbook (was Re: [OLPC-Games] Physics -- Newtonian, mechanics.. for kids!)

2008-07-23 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
I don't want sound to be a jerk..., but a game like Asteroids is so right on the sweet spot of Etoys (take a look at the existing Lunar Lander, and think about extending it with better controls and rotation). And, the biggest advantage of that route I think is all scripts can be written by