Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-08-02 Thread Yoshiki Ohshima
Eben, For on thing, Etoys refers to things as projects, which already sound like self contained bundles of sorts, much like a sessions in their own right. Combining several projects in one session just complicates matters, when each can clearly be stored as its own entry within the

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-08-01 Thread Michael Stone
Bert, First, my apologies about the epic proportions of this email. In it, I attempt to explain both my working perspective on the usages of the terms 'activity', 'Activity', and 'Activity instance' and the implications of our recent security work on the pratical meaning of these terms. If the

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-08-01 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
We (the security minions) had been working under the assumption that etoys would be operating in single-instance mode because of memory issues. --Noah Bert Freudenberg wrote: Well, we can create several projects and switch between them, like for making a presentation. Until now this has been

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-08-01 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Well, we (the etoys minions) try to accommodate whatever the platform requires. Our original thinking was to have just one Etoys process that serves multiple instances. There were issues on the Sugar side, like that Sugar insists on having a separate X window for each activity instance. So

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi Erik, I suggest that if the datastore API is not enough for your needs, open a ticket in trac requesting for multiple file by entry support to be added to the DS API. By now, remember you can just put a set of photographs inside a tar file and send that to the DS. Regards, Tomeu On Thu,

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Eben Eliason
The idea is to have the notion of container entries that can contain other journal entries. This does get tricky fast. I think we'll need to discuss it briefly at our design charrette on Tuesday. There are certainly many cases where we could use it, but I think a flat system where each

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
Seriously folks, this is not just a request for an API extension. This is *begging* for the non-trivial aspects of the Sugar environment to be fleshed out, at least in writing, if not in code. We're hopping from trial to trial with patchy interim solutions. And this how many months before

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Michael Rueger
Bert Freudenberg wrote: Seriously folks, this is not just a request for an API extension. This is *begging* for the non-trivial aspects of the Sugar environment to be fleshed out, at least in writing, if not in code. We're hopping from trial to trial with patchy interim solutions. And

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Bert, I was replying to Erik's request and that is a totally different one from yours, in my opinion. From what I understand, you are asking about how to handle different instances of the same activity and what relationship exists with their journal entries. Eben answer did not clarified your

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, 2007-07-27 at 12:37 +0200, Michael Rueger wrote: On Jul 27, 2007, at 9:15 , Tomeu Vizoso wrote: By now, remember you can just put a set of photographs inside a tar file and send that to the DS. By now? So, By when is it going to change? And how? Assuming these photographs

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On Jul 27, 2007, at 12:43 , Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Bert, I was replying to Erik's request and that is a totally different one from yours, in my opinion. From what I understand, you are asking about how to handle different instances of the same activity and what relationship exists with their

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 02:00:46AM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Thank you Michael, this at least makes the security side more clear to me. Then it served its purpose. :) So if an activity would like to handle multiple instances in one container or even one process, that would be fine.

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-26 Thread Erik Blankinship
Was my question so easy that it didn't need a response? :-) Seriously... how should activities save/serialize multiple files for correct indexing/viewing in the Journal? We need an answer yesterday. On 7/25/07, Erik Blankinship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am wondering if there is an answer

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-25 Thread Erik Blankinship
I am wondering if there is an answer yet to this question from about a month ago? On 7/12/07, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I understand the Sugar philosophy correctly, we won't have multiple documents per activity. If we want to have multiple documents opened at the same time,

Re: [sugar] Multiple documents

2007-07-12 Thread Eben Eliason
Well, for the most part the single-document-per-activity-instance is the model. There are of course some exceptions to this rule. For instance, in a given web browsing session most people will visit a number of different websites; As such, the session is treated as the object within the