Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-16 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not a fan of lots of little / characters everywhere (fine if a user want to type them in the unified text search area to look somewhere specific), but you could show entries that came (or are) outside of the local

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-15 Thread pgf
a few random observations that i had today, prompted by scott's talk/demo: - while people don't tend to name their jpegs (today), they do tend to group them into folders (e.g. vacation_pix). the equivalent of this in a tagged world would be bulk tagging. i assume

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-15 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a few random observations that i had today, prompted by scott's talk/demo: - while people don't tend to name their jpegs (today), they do tend to group them into folders (e.g. vacation_pix). the equivalent of this in

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-15 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Eben Eliason wrote: | Proposal (off the cuff, please poke holes in this): We might beef up | the HIG in the area of tagging, and even suggest a set of canonical | tags for various types of content. (Localized, of course.) Combining | this with

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-15 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Proposal (off the cuff, please poke holes in this): We might beef up | the HIG in the area of tagging, and even suggest a set of canonical | tags for various types of content. (Localized, of course.) Combining |

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-15 Thread Gary C Martin
On 16 Oct 2008, at 01:51, C. Scott Ananian wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Proposal (off the cuff, please poke holes in this): We might beef up | the HIG in the area of tagging, and even suggest a set of canonical | tags for various

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Ivan Krstić
On Sep 23, 2008, at 2:05 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: A hand-drawn proposal for what a Journal supporting directory traversal as well as tag space exploration is in the attached PDF. Discussion welcome! FWIW, I made several impassioned proposals for these features -- in fact, with some visual

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 C. Scott Ananian wrote: | A hand-drawn proposal for what a Journal supporting directory | traversal as well as tag space exploration is in the attached PDF. |

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 C. Scott Ananian wrote: | On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:13 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz | [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- | Hash: SHA1 | | C. Scott Ananian wrote: | | A hand-drawn proposal for what a Journal supporting directory

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Scott, I thought you came to the conclusion that there was no use for ordered tags. What changed your mind? Was it the abilty to browse hierarchical systems with the Journal? I also thought you came to the conclusion that turning directory names as tags alone worked. How would the results be

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scott, I thought you came to the conclusion that there was no use for ordered tags. What changed your mind? Was it the abilty to browse hierarchical systems with the Journal? I also thought you came to the conclusion

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal tagging world can ignore it, and users who have know the hierarchical world can understand it and make advance usage of that knowledge when transfering from or

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal tagging world can ignore it, and users who have know the hierarchical world can

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: c. scott ananian wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
I also imagine that the Extra options menu would appear in the main toolbar in the Detailed view. And aditionally, like in one of eben's mockup, once a entry is checked in this list view, either the main toolbar changes to provide contextual actions (those you placed in that menu, copy, apply

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eben Eliason
I'm paying attention to this thread, quietly. I like a lot of this. :) I'll let it continue without interfering, for now, but I wanted to point out that the new toolbar design (posted on the wiki) would make that more actions option much nicer. For that matter, as Eduardo mentions, they don't

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread pgf
c. scott ananian wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ah, so that's why you separate these legacy-hierarchical files with a light grey slash (/) . So that a kid who only knows the Journal tagging world can ignore it, and users who have know

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Bobby Powers
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm paying attention to this thread, quietly. I like a lot of this. :) I'll let it continue without interfering, for now, but I wanted to point out that the new toolbar design (posted on the wiki) would make that more

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread C. Scott Ananian
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a little unsure what the Actions, Objects and Labels tabs do however. They are alternate views, or ways of organizing, the data. The action/object split is elaborated upon in the posted Journal designs.

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eduardo H. Silva
One extra thing that epiphany has that you didn't explicitelly showed in your mockup is, as you select/type tags, the most popular and/or recent section of the tag pane gets related tags thrown into its mix. Related tags are those which have been applied to objects along side the typed one(s).