[sugar] July 21, Sucrose 0.81.5 Tarballs Due
Dear maintainers, the next development release is tomorrow the 21th July. Please provide source code tarballs by the end of tomorrow for the following modules: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap#Glucose_Modules http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap#Glucose_Modules http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap#Fructose_Modules http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam/Roadmap#Fructose_Modules Please announce them as explained here: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam#Module_release http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ReleaseTeam#Module_release Thanks, Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Using threads in an Activity
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Shikhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to use threads in my activity. However, the UI locks up while the thread runs. Actually, it is somewhat strange what happens: the thread is already initialized and running, waiting on a Queue for a work request. After I make a request, this is when the UI locks up (although the request completes) I have tried both gtk.gdk.threads_init() and gobject.threads_init() in my activity initialization before I call super I think you need to do it earlier, in the module scope. HTH, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Using threads in an Activity
Here is some code which runs multiple threads successfully on an xo. Look for ServerThread: http://mediamods.com/public-svn/map-activity/Map.activity/map.py On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 10:26 PM, Shikhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am trying to use threads in my activity. However, the UI locks up while the thread runs. Actually, it is somewhat strange what happens: the thread is already initialized and running, waiting on a Queue for a work request. After I make a request, this is when the UI locks up (although the request completes) I have tried both gtk.gdk.threads_init() and gobject.threads_init() in my activity initialization before I call super What am I missing? Hope not being very inane... Thanks, Shikhar http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works quite well here in a MP with last joyride. Just did some light testing, though. I've also tested it (lightly) on 3 machines running Joyride ~2170. Tomeu On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not good news. I don't recall that anything should have changed between B4 and the C series that would have impacted Record. I'll have to check it out on more machines... -walter On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Jul 2008, at 00:18, Walter Bender wrote: (Now that we have a reasonably stable joyride-with a working Record activity again-I'll try to get a quick user study pulled together in Peru on this topic by someone less bias than myself.) Hmmm, not convinced Record-55 is working well enough yet (Joyride-2174), unless it's just failing on my B4 hardware. I get everything from a black feed, to a green/purple stripy feed. Not managed to actually record anything with it yet. Doesn't seem to help launching Record first after a reboot and with no other activities (think that was one of the open bugs). just did that (boot then launch record) and it worked alright for me (on a MP machine). bobby --Gary ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Autosave in 8.2.0?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for not answering, Hmm? Both Tomeu and me answered. http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/016914.html http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-July/016951.html and not updating the API doc, The time I can devote to OLPC is *very* limited these days and I had no time until today to even check this API was working properly... I just finished up the python Activity bits and I have a patch up for review. I will try to update the doc on monday. and me having to dig through Sugar patches to find out how this works. I updated the doc: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Low-level_Activity_API#D-Bus_Methods === org.laptop.Activity.SyncData() Called when the laptop is about to shutdown, reboot, or suspend. The activity must save its state in the datastore. === Apparently this does not send a reason for having to sync - IMHO suspend is not as severe a reason as impending shutdown/reboot so an activity might want to choose to not save on suspend if suspends are as frequent as we anticipate. This code never went in actually... See the mails I referenced. Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Using threads in an Activity
Hi Shikar, You might want to look at how James Simmons uses threads in his ReadEtexts Activity to do speech synthesis using a thread too.. http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=activities/readetexts;a=blob;f=ReadEtextsActivity.py;h=c8c7086a4dd9448a2f81b96150dcb551c6d5d217;hb=HEAD Around line 56 or so... Hope it helps :) Best, Hemant ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Using threads in an Activity
Thank you for all the replies, I fixed the problem by simplifying things a little, the code examples helped :-) ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Autosave in 8.2.0?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 17.07.2008 um 07:37 schrieb Bert Freudenberg: Am 17.07.2008 um 00:10 schrieb Tomeu Vizoso: Marco has added a session manager to Sugar (in 8.2.0) that takes care of telling activities to save their work because the system is being shut down. Haven't verified if this is complete and working. Have you, Marco? If so, this would also take care of the case where kids shut down before closing all running activities first. How does this work from an activity's pov? - Bert - Thanks for not answering, and not updating the API doc, and me having to dig through Sugar patches to find out how this works. Bert, you should know better than others how things are here. We cannot manage to do the things we know that must be done, much less we can do those properly. If I was in any regular job, I would limit myself to do what I can, and do it right. Here we just cannot behave like that. You are right to be frustrated by this situation, but please don't ask us to do more than what is in our hands. If you know anyone who would like to join us in this craziness, please point them to http://www.laptop.org/en/jobs.shtml . Regards, Tomeu ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
+1 for ring view... but as an every-activity-on-your-computer ring, rather than by default having nothing shown, by default have every activity shown. On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Can I get a quick +1/-1 on this question related to http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/7331 The new Home View in 8.2.0 will have three available styles. We need to pick one to default on first upgrade or install. Choices are: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Freeform_View8.2.png http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_Ring_View8.2.png http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Home_List_View8.2.png from: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Release_Notes/8.2.0 Vote for your favorite as default first exposure to OX and let's see if we are close to consensus... Votes from teachers and kids count double :-) Thanks, Greg S ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Record-55 issue was B4 hardware failure (Was: Design Question)
On 20 Jul 2008, at 13:40, Bobby Powers wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works quite well here in a MP with last joyride. Just did some light testing, though. I've also tested it (lightly) on 3 machines running Joyride ~2170. Tomeu On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not good news. I don't recall that anything should have changed between B4 and the C series that would have impacted Record. I'll have to check it out on more machines... -walter On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Jul 2008, at 00:18, Walter Bender wrote: (Now that we have a reasonably stable joyride-with a working Record activity again-I'll try to get a quick user study pulled together in Peru on this topic by someone less bias than myself.) Hmmm, not convinced Record-55 is working well enough yet (Joyride-2174), unless it's just failing on my B4 hardware. I get everything from a black feed, to a green/purple stripy feed. Not managed to actually record anything with it yet. Doesn't seem to help launching Record first after a reboot and with no other activities (think that was one of the open bugs). just did that (boot then launch record) and it worked alright for me (on a MP machine). bobby Thanks for all the feedback. OK, after a lot of testing and looking through logs I finally accidently stumbled on the problem. It seems to be a HW fault on my B4. Perhaps a dry solder joint, cracked pcb or camera component not seated correctly. If I squeeze the right side of the screen, just below the camera lense, Record-55 starts displaying the video image, sometimes blank, sometimes green/purple, sometimes back to normal. Managed to successfully recorded a video clip while the image was good. I'm reasonably handy with a soldering iron so I'll open up the unit and see if I can see the specific cause. Is there a specific place I should report this HW issue incase it is more than single an unlucky occurrence? --Gary ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:14 PM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 for ring view... but as an every-activity-on-your-computer ring, rather than by default having nothing shown, by default have every activity shown. You should never have nothing in the ring by default. If you reproduced such a case, it's a bug and it should be reported. Thanks, Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
+1 for the ring (i am new to open source, so please be patient with me) i know this question doesn't really belong here, but: why was the sugar UI changed? can i find a discussion about this anywhere? the new version lost the frame, didn't it? at least it'S not there in my sugar jhbuild env. regards, ali ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Record-55 issue was B4 hardware failure (Was: Design Question)
Take a look at: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/ XO_Troubleshooting_AV#Errors_communicating_with_the_camera The majority of these problems are due to a latch on the flex cable connector coming loose. If you disassemble the laptop, and find that it was due to another source, pleased either add it to the guide or let me know. Cheers, wad On Jul 20, 2008, at 5:40 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: On 20 Jul 2008, at 13:40, Bobby Powers wrote: On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 7:19 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Works quite well here in a MP with last joyride. Just did some light testing, though. I've also tested it (lightly) on 3 machines running Joyride ~2170. Tomeu On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not good news. I don't recall that anything should have changed between B4 and the C series that would have impacted Record. I'll have to check it out on more machines... -walter On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:14 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Jul 2008, at 00:18, Walter Bender wrote: (Now that we have a reasonably stable joyride-with a working Record activity again-I'll try to get a quick user study pulled together in Peru on this topic by someone less bias than myself.) Hmmm, not convinced Record-55 is working well enough yet (Joyride-2174), unless it's just failing on my B4 hardware. I get everything from a black feed, to a green/purple stripy feed. Not managed to actually record anything with it yet. Doesn't seem to help launching Record first after a reboot and with no other activities (think that was one of the open bugs). just did that (boot then launch record) and it worked alright for me (on a MP machine). bobby Thanks for all the feedback. OK, after a lot of testing and looking through logs I finally accidently stumbled on the problem. It seems to be a HW fault on my B4. Perhaps a dry solder joint, cracked pcb or camera component not seated correctly. If I squeeze the right side of the screen, just below the camera lense, Record-55 starts displaying the video image, sometimes blank, sometimes green/purple, sometimes back to normal. Managed to successfully recorded a video clip while the image was good. I'm reasonably handy with a soldering iron so I'll open up the unit and see if I can see the specific cause. Is there a specific place I should report this HW issue incase it is more than single an unlucky occurrence? --Gary ___ Devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/devel ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] pulsing icon code move from sugar to sugar-toolkit?
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) whether anyone thinks this is too invasive to get in to Sucrose 0.82 / OLPC 8.2.0; and Yeah, it sounds too invasive to me, I'd rather put some good thinking and land it in the next release cycle. What user visible feature does it allow to implement? Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
[sugar] Trac workflow
Hello, I noticed several inconsistencies in the way we deal with tickets, which makes working with trac harder than it should be. Here is an attempt to describe the workflow from the Sugar point of view: 1 Developer looks for the first time at a ticket. If the problem is obvious, switch action to code, otherwise to diagnose. 2 Developer diagnose the problem, describe it and switch action to code. 3 Developer writes a patch, submit it for review per http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DevelopmentTeam/CodeReview, switch action to review. 5 Reviewer gives r+, action is still review. 6 Developer check in the patch in git and switch action to add to build. 7 Module maintainer releases a new version or build a snapshot and switches all the fixed tickets to test in build. 8 Developer tests in build and switch action to finalize. Can you think of any problem with this? (I'm sure there are side cases, I'm just trying to address the common case here). Marco ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] pulsing icon code move from sugar to sugar-toolkit?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:45:16AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) whether anyone thinks this is too invasive to get in to Sucrose 0.82 / OLPC 8.2.0; and Yeah, it sounds too invasive to me Just to point out: it is a one line code change in icon.py and then moving (and refactoring, but that can be deferred) code from sugar's pulsingicon.py to sugar-toolkit's pulsingicon.py (using from sugar.graphics.pulsingicon import * to keep sugar's shell.view.pulsingicon exported symbols unchanged). What user visible feature does it allow to implement? #6995 ( http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6995 ) - move mesh icon to the frame, and its concomitant make AP and mesh icons pulse and otherwise consistent with Mesh/Neighborhood view's icons work. Marco Martin pgpWw6tXLwHbW.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
Re: [sugar] Design Question
Am 20.07.2008 um 14:14 schrieb Alexander Ortner: +1 for the ring (i am new to open source, so please be patient with me) i know this question doesn't really belong here, but: why was the sugar UI changed? can i find a discussion about this anywhere? the new version lost the frame, didn't it? at least it'S not there in my sugar jhbuild env. The former Alt short cuts are Alt-Shift now. - Bert - ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
