[sugar] Human Interface Guidelines (update and hosting)

2008-12-16 Thread Eben Eliason
Hello everyone - The Human Interface Guidelines [1] have been stagnant for some time, and I'm starting an initiative to remedy the situation. This effort, as I see it, has two components: 1) update the contents of the HIG and 2) tease apart OLPC guidelines from Sugar guidelines, and adjust

[sugar] Sugar Design Meeting REMINDER (Now)

2008-12-04 Thread Eben Eliason
Here are the details: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DesignTeam/Meetings#Thursday_December_4.2C_2008_-_15.00_.28UTC.29 Apologies for the late reminder. In the back of my head I thought that was automated now, but either I'm wrong, or I failed to set it up. - Eben

[sugar] Announcing a design roadmap meeting, tentatively scheduled for Wed. Nov. 26th, 1500 UTC

2008-11-24 Thread Eben Eliason
Though it's not part of our usual biweekly cycle, we'd like to hold a meeting this week to lay out a loose roadmap for Sugar in the OLPC 9.1 timeframe, taking into account the discussions from SugarCamp last week. I've posted additional details, including a loose agenda, on the wiki:

Re: [sugar] Reducing activity sharing boilderplate code

2008-11-07 Thread Eben Eliason
Subclassing makes sense to me (though I'm just a designer, so don't give me too much weight.) It seems that we could create a CollaborativeActivity subclass, and perhaps even subclass that if there are several common types of collaboration with different setups. The easier it is for someone to

[sugar] NO (formal) design meeting this week.

2008-11-06 Thread Eben Eliason
Hello all - I apologize for the lack of organization of the biweekly design meetings as of late. Unfortunately, I'm going to duck out this week as well, as I need to focus heavily on a deadline for next week. However, I will remain on IRC following the sugar meeting and will be more than happy

[sugar] Consolidating the Feature Roadmap

2008-10-29 Thread Eben Eliason
For those that aren't yet aware, a Feature Roadmap [1] has appeared in our wiki recently, its goal to lay out a long term strategy for prioritizing software development on the XO. It's tied closely to the Feature Request [2] page, which contains verbatim requests and requirements by country, to

Re: [sugar] 9.1 proposal: Language learning on the XO.

2008-10-28 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm learning Spanish at the moment, and I wish the XO made it easier for me. I don't have any knowledge of what the right way to do either conventional or constructionist language learning on computers is; if anyone

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Control Facility Improvements

2008-10-23 Thread Eben Eliason
I can sympathize with this perspective. Traditionally, software updates only update software which is already installed. In this perspective, I could see one expecting all those activities already installed being selected by default, and others left unchecked for one to select as desired. On the

[sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Clarifying the zoom levels

2008-10-22 Thread Eben Eliason
We've never fully implemented the zoom levels, and since we're going to have to pay some attention to that area in order to provide scalability in the short term, we should ensure that their design offers long term scalability as well. For the purpose of this discussion, I'd like to restrict

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Report cards on XO

2008-10-22 Thread Eben Eliason
I'm not sure that such an idea actually requires a special activity, or a report card template with preset fields. It seems to me that the item of importance is the ability for the teacher to give each kid an immutable object which they may then view on their XO, and take home to show their

Re: [sugar] Clipboard errata (patches)

2008-10-20 Thread Eben Eliason
, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a set of patches I worked on recently, and need to rebase on the latest jhbuild before I

Re: [sugar] 9.1 Proposal: Printing support

2008-10-20 Thread Eben Eliason
Peter Krenesky (CC'd) from the Open Source Lab at Oregon State has discussed some printing basics with me, and may have already begun further research in this area. There is some info in the wiki on the subject: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Enabling_CUPS, http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Printing_Design,

Re: [sugar] Clipboard errata (patches)

2008-10-20 Thread Eben Eliason
descriptions tomorrow; Tomeu's effort in this area is already in master, so a very close approximation of the final behavior can already be seen. - Eben On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:33 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 3:19 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [sugar] Announce: Screencast activity.

2008-10-17 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 3:08 AM, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I started work on a Screencast activity tonight. It's a frontend to recordMyDesktop, which is the program Scott used for his screencasts. Having a program on the XO that's capable of preparing shareable tutorials could

[sugar] Clipboard errata (patches)

2008-10-17 Thread Eben Eliason
noticed upon attaching that the first isn't actually a clipboard patch, but it was part of a sprint on clipboard and drag'n'drop in general, so I include it. From 08d4c23ff0cd0e48842c189711ef1dd7d3a05c05 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED](none) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:36

Re: [sugar] Clipboard errata (patches)

2008-10-17 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a set of patches I worked on recently, and need to rebase on the latest jhbuild before I post them officially. I wanted to expose them

[sugar] Design-meeting REMINDER (Thursday October 16 2008 - 15.30 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2008-10-16 Thread Eben Eliason
Hello everyone - We'll be having an open design meeting today. There is but one topic on the agenda: Journal. We've spent some time talking about it recently, but it's a big part of the UI, and one that's been sorely neglected. In particular, we'll be discussing a plan forward given the work

Re: [sugar] Design-meeting REMINDER (Thursday October 16 2008 - 15.30 (UTC)) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2008-10-16 Thread Eben Eliason
. Regards, Tomeu On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone Unfortunately I'm travelling today and won't be able to be on the call. Can we do this tomorrow instead? Christian Sent from my iPhone On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Eben

Re: [sugar] code contributions to Sugar (was Re: Sugar Clock)

2008-10-15 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. I think this is a good example of why contributing to Sugar is necessarily hard. Many small technical contributions from the community

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-10-15 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 6:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a few random observations that i had today, prompted by scott's talk/demo: - while people don't tend to name their jpegs (today), they do tend to group them into folders (e.g. vacation_pix). the equivalent of this in

Re: [sugar] (very) Little Proposals for 9.1

2008-10-14 Thread Eben Eliason
Hi all, sorry I'm late on this thread. On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Carlo Falciola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, during past week-end I spent a few hours playing with the 676 -Candidate , mainly in order to check translated strings here an there. Then let my very personal user base (My

Re: [sugar] Launching activities from other activities

2008-10-14 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Oct 13, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Morgan wrote: Hopefully Rainbow will grow a mechanism for activities to request it to launch other activities given certain restrictions. += MAX_INT Heh. I really think we need this. The current solution really is a

Re: [sugar] scrolling the journal list view (was Re: alt-tabbing to the Journal)

2008-10-11 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:38 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:34 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:27 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [sugar] Viewing PDFs from Browse

2008-10-11 Thread Eben Eliason
* rotate; but you'd download it and edit it in an activity designed for that purpose.) - Eben On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:21 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [sugar] journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Garrett Goebel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elana Langer wrote from Mongolia: basically when teachers and students try to find their work (write, record, etoys) in the journal it is hard for them to locate it - especially if it is more than a few days old. This is

Re: [sugar] [Cross Posted] High res screenshots of Sugar

2008-10-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 10.10.2008 um 18:02 schrieb Sayamindu Dasgupta: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah - that's what confused me :-S If it's too hard to educate their art department,

Re: [sugar] journal is hard (was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia)

2008-10-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:05 PM, NoiseEHC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can do a little better than that, actually, by making it all one prompt. It can have a name field, already filled out with the best darn attempt at a name we can manage, a tag field (and perhaps even a list of popular tags

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-10 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10 Oct 2008, at 14:26, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:02 AM, Bill Kerr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Here's a short dialogue

Re: [sugar] Home view

2008-10-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:45 AM, Bert Freudenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 09.10.2008 um 14:20 schrieb Mikus Grinbergs: So, how about removing the list view and leaving that task to the Journal? It's a much more logical place anyway, the list view is basically a filtered view of the

Re: [sugar] [IAEP] Narrative.

2008-10-09 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Brian Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill, Here's a short dialogue between myself, Ben Schwartz, Martin Dengler, and Bobby Powers on my interpretation of narrative as it might apply to a

Re: [sugar] Viewing PDFs from Browse

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:10 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, this looks pretty cool, actually. One powerful addition which I think is necessary in order to adopt this is the addition of a Keep button

Re: [sugar] Module Proposal: Image Viewer Activity

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:34 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I would like to propose the inclusion of the Image Viewer

Re: [sugar] Viewing PDFs from Browse

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, this looks pretty cool, actually. One powerful addition which I think is necessary in order to adopt this is the addition of a Keep button

Re: [sugar] Viewing PDFs from Browse

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey

Re: [sugar] alt-tabbing to the Journal

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8 Oct 2008, at 03:51, Walter Bender wrote: The bottom line is that, at least as far as the XO is concerned (and other machines with limited memory and no swap) the list of activities to tab through, with or without the

Re: [sugar] Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 7:58 AM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the Sugar learning platform +1 from me as well. (I'm torn on platform vs. environment; the latter actually sounds a little friendlier, to me.) - Eben -walter On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:35 AM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL

Re: [sugar] Give a Laptop, Change the World : G1G1 2008

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM, John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I prefer the Sugar learning platform And my laundress prefers fabric revitalization consultant. Sugar isn't about learning. Sugar is a user interface. It draws I find your first statement wholly contestable. Moreover,

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 06:14:16PM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my mind the fundamental problem is that users aren't required to fully

Re: [sugar] naming, was Re: notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Obviously the system is full of files, and you're correct that a named chunk of data is basically what were talking about. The intent of the no files sentiment is that kids needn't (necessarily) think about named

Re: [sugar] naming

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Yamandu Ploskonka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I hope that this naming problem (lack of naming, lack of tagging, laborious naming process, poor default names, buggy name updates, etc.) can be nearly if not completely cleared up in the next major release. -

Re: [sugar] adding versions to journal/datastore

2008-10-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new around here did not realise that the list server doesn't munge the addresses, my apologies. Anyway, I responded to Mikus thus:- I agree the 'effort' is theoretically trivial, what versioning provides is a

Re: [sugar] notes from the field - Mongolia

2008-10-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Hal Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here we come against initial expectations. The whole concept of Sugar is that the user doesn't need to explicitly save files. They are automatically kept in the Sugar datastore, and are accessed through the Journal

Re: [sugar] Narrative

2008-10-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 4:29 AM, Bryan Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2008-10-05 at 02:25 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bryan Berry wrote: | There is something I would like to add. Folks from rich countries (like | myself)

Re: [sugar] adding versions to journal/datastore

2008-10-02 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1 - The primary requirement for the Journal is to never lose data. I Say what? Maybe one could argue that this is the primary requirement for the datastore, but the Journal is there primarily as a place of reflection. The

Re: [sugar] another response time

2008-10-01 Thread Eben Eliason
Yeah, this sounds like something that should be added to the HIG. Activities should strive to put up a screen as soon as they can, even if it will take more time to fully present the UI or the content. I opened #8739 to keep track of this, when I get a chance to get back into the HIG. - Eben On

Re: [sugar] another response time

2008-10-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1 Oct 2008, at 13:49, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: as you probably installed previously the Wikipedia activity, my guess is that the jffs2 gc thread was taking most of the CPU. If I understand correctly, this raises the

Re: [sugar] adding versions to journal/datastore

2008-10-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Eben and other sugarites, I'm trying to find a simple way to add some version support to the journal, but for that I need to know what's the sweetest spot (no pun intended) between value and complexity. I'm thinking

Re: [sugar] adding versions to journal/datastore

2008-10-01 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Walter Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Walter, could you elaborate on your comment? My comment was in regard to the anticipated additional complexity we may run into if/when we have versioning between multiple users, as would be dictated by most of the bulletin

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, On tabbing we are currently auto-toggling the frame. Are we sure that this is necessary? Could we include a configuration option to change this? I disagree that showing the Frame is a bad idea. It

Re: [sugar] frame auto-visibility configuration

2008-09-24 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:25:43PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 12:18 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:25:51AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008

Re: [sugar] Tagged Journal Proposal

2008-09-23 Thread Eben Eliason
I'm paying attention to this thread, quietly. I like a lot of this. :) I'll let it continue without interfering, for now, but I wanted to point out that the new toolbar design (posted on the wiki) would make that more actions option much nicer. For that matter, as Eduardo mentions, they don't

Re: [sugar] frame gets in the way when alt-tabbing

2008-09-22 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 12:59:52AM -0400, Mikus Grinbergs wrote: 760. Running (on my XO) a ported Linux application which puts up multiple screens. As far as I could tell. I was able to access all of those screens by

Re: [sugar] Second pass in the 0.84 goals

2008-09-20 Thread Eben Eliason
Mikus - You should check out the very recent thread entitled Ideas for Journal: How Epiphany..., because we're discussing just the type of things you bring up here. On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The current plan is to land a rewrite of the datastore

Re: [sugar] Ideas for Journal: How epiphany browser manages bookmarks just with tags

2008-09-19 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/19 C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Eduardo H. Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ideas for Journal: How epiphany browser manages bookmarks just with tags (and does it nicely, with

[sugar] Design Meeting REMINDER (Thursday September 18, 2008 @ 15.30 UTC) --- irc.freenode.net, #sugar-meeting

2008-09-18 Thread Eben Eliason
Today will mark the first biweekly design meeting on IRC. I hope to see you there. Topics: * Visual clipboard API * Advancing the Journal * Thoughts on some icons - Eben ___ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org

[sugar] Design Meeting MINUTES (Thursday September 18, 2008 @ 15.30 UTC)

2008-09-18 Thread Eben Eliason
Our first design meeting was a bit more technical than anticipated, but we did make some progress. Minutes can be found here: http://sugarlabs.org/go/DesignTeam/Meetings#Thursday_September_18.2C_2008_-_15.30_.28UTC.29 Thanks to all that participated! - Eben

[sugar] Announcing biweekly design meetings

2008-09-16 Thread Eben Eliason
To the designing and implementing masses: I'm happy to announce that, beginning this week, I will begin hosting a biweekly open design meeting on IRC. Though targeted at the core sugar team and activity developers, all interested are more than welcome to attend. We will focus on high level

Re: [sugar] #7685 NORM 9.1.0: Alternate home layouts; fixed ring scaling; better modularization of layouts

2008-09-11 Thread Eben Eliason
I want to initiate some discussion on a similar topic to the one you bring up here, regarding the extensibility of the layouts. What I'd like to see is layout modules which provide translation from a set of input coordinates to a set of output coordinates (eg, _calculate_position), which are then

Re: [sugar] Freeform layout algorithm

2008-09-10 Thread Eben Eliason
on the behavior of the current algorithm, and faster and/or more accurate algorithms as well! - Eben On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Renewed interest in improving the layout algorithm (for use in the non-activity zoom levels) has prompted me to create a document

Re: [sugar] Freeform layout algorithm

2008-09-10 Thread Eben Eliason
Indeed. There are many good layouts for Home view. (And I want to encourage more!) In the interest of keeping the topic clear though, I want to make sure that this thread focuses on a particular and more general layout problem, rather than becoming a long list of alternative layouts. In other

[sugar] Freeform layout algorithm

2008-09-09 Thread Eben Eliason
Renewed interest in improving the layout algorithm (for use in the non-activity zoom levels) has prompted me to create a document summarizing the goals of the layout, the current approach, and a few alternate approaches for consideration. My primary goal was to specify the requirements we wish to

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] REVISED screenshots hurt

2008-09-08 Thread Eben Eliason
This seems like a decent, but lossy reduction. (Though I agree in full that the current behavior is far less than ideal.) There are still some ugly cases, though, which can't be fixed without compositing. Am I correct in thinking this assumes that the activity is visible while keep/close buttons

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] REVISED screenshots hurt

2008-09-08 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:31 AM, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: before, screenshots taken on these events: - frame visibility - tabbing start - activity next tab - activity previous tab - zoom into activity view - activity close (twice) after, screenshots taken

[sugar] Could someone test the Home search entry...?

2008-08-28 Thread Eben Eliason
Hello all - I've recently experienced some very buggy behavior with the search entry in Home in my jhbuild (master). I want to ensure that this gets properly tested in the upcoming joyride build (as I'll be moving/on vacation myself), so I'm going to leave a couple test cases here for someone to

Re: [sugar] Landing patches about the network devices UI

2008-08-25 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:19 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, we have a couple of patches that should be ready to be reviewed by tomorrow, which solves several issues with the UI of network devices. #6944 UI confuses which AP you are connected to #3993 The color of

Re: [sugar] Landing patches about the network devices UI

2008-08-25 Thread Eben Eliason
Makes both frame icons pulse. 4 Don't show the mesh icons in the mesh view, instead show them in the frame. 5 Fix some iconsistency in the icon states by cleaning up the code. On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 8:19 AM

[sugar] [PATCH] New Activity Launcher

2008-08-22 Thread Eben Eliason
My recent interactions with the launcher have led me to frustration. I updated a number of tickets on the subject, and also created an aggragator to track them all (http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/8090). The attached patch is an attempt to solve nearly all of the known problems. Testing would be

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] New Activity Launcher

2008-08-22 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't tried your new activity launcher (I wait for the binary to show up in Joyride), but your mentioning of the Frame reminded me: I have no idea of how I got there, but I have experienced a situation where there was

Re: [sugar] #8041 HIGH 9.1.0: Sugar lacks a Trash/Recycle bin system

2008-08-20 Thread Eben Eliason
This is getting a little out of hand, here. Let's break this down again, because I think we're all arguing for pretty much the same thing. On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eduardo Heleno [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But my point was that, at the moment, you can

Re: [sugar] Please help test our new 8.2.0 weekly beta, joyride-2263!

2008-08-19 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Eduardo Heleno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/9 Christoph Derndorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 8:45 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] This isn't really a bug but rather a general observation so I'm not quite sure where to

Re: [sugar] letting the user specify the mesh channel

2008-08-16 Thread Eben Eliason
On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 6:45 PM, Eduardo Heleno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/14 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Eduardo H Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like a lot the mockup http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/6995/6995_screenshot_45.png ... I would just

Re: [sugar] 0.84 goals

2008-08-15 Thread Eben Eliason
On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why not let accessing of *deferred* Activities be handled by Journal ? Because it involves an extra step or two that in practice people don't take. Personally, I would even go to the extreme that the Home View should

Re: [sugar] letting the user specify the mesh channel

2008-08-14 Thread Eben Eliason
with the blinking icon information. Perhaps. I'm curious to know what info/stages we actually have, before specifying any design there. - Eben Eduardo 2008/8/7 Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://dev.laptop.org

Re: [sugar] non-colored activity icons in frame

2008-08-14 Thread Eben Eliason
Certainly not intended. If it persists or appears in a joyride, please ticket it. - Eben On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just tried faster-2301. In the top bar of the Frame, the icons for the currently active Activities were being shown in

Re: [sugar] Journal view flips topmost entries

2008-08-12 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 00:12, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess is that flipping of the topmost entries in Journal has to do

Re: [sugar] [PATCH] Trac #7480: Need to 'reset' the network configurations - short term fix

2008-08-12 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 4:26 AM, Morgan Collett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 03:31, Erik Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached is a patch which adds a 'reset network configuration' button to the network tab of the sugar control panel. Clicking this button simply

Re: [sugar] [OLPC Security] P_READ_LOGS

2008-08-11 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Bastien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The easiest way to present logs, especially failure logs, is to make them available through the standard Journal/Datastore interface. For example, we have some agreement that when an

Re: [sugar] letting the user specify the mesh channel

2008-08-07 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://dev.laptop.org/~mdengler/6995/6995_screenshot_45.png for an example of how I currently have it looking. Thank you. Currently, I use the presence of a 'Disconnect' entry in the palette as a mnemonic device

Re: [sugar] New joyride build 2258

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:10 AM, Build Announcer v2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Changes for sugar 0.81.8-2.20080806git0fc57309f3.olpc3 from 0.81.8-1.fc9 --- + 7495 open cp software-updater on first boot after an update I don't want this! I keep shouting about it and no one seems to be

Re: [sugar] Another sugar rant (was: x2o physics problem solving game)

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Neil Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2008 7:08:33 am Alex Levenson wrote: Searching for X2o using the wiki search doesn't find it. It's Called X2o! it's url is http://wiki.laptop.org/go/X2o for heaven's sake! Somebody either fix the

Re: [sugar] Another sugar rant

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Ton van Overbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Neil Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 06 August 2008 7:08:33 am Alex Levenson wrote: Searching for X2o using the wiki search doesn't find it. It's

Re: [sugar] New joyride build 2258 (Eben Eliason)

2008-08-06 Thread Eben Eliason
it land on a nice GUI that explains what will happen and gives you the option to click and check for the latest activities. Thanks, Greg S -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:47:42 -0400 From: Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sugar] New joyride

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-05 Thread Eben Eliason
elements (NAND, USB, SD card), computers (XO - XO, XO - PC), schools (XO - XS - XS) and beyond. Clipboard may be a key part of it. Thanks, Greg S Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:59:56 -0400 From: Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service To: Tomeu Vizoso

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-05 Thread Eben Eliason
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Gary C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Aug 2008, at 16:50, Eben Eliason wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 3:44 AM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7 - Is cut supported? How do you remove things from the clipboard? How many items can it hold? Cut

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-08-04 Thread Eben Eliason
want to do but the current spec doesn't allow to? Thanks, Tomeu On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 5:01 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't tell from your wording if you are implying that we will or will not be creating some custom wrappers for the clipboard service. I think we

Re: [sugar] Faster - how do I bypass look, ma - no hands ??

2008-08-04 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:05 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tried latest Faster -- is the small 'rodent' supposed to be cute ? ?? Encountered at least two hurdles. Would someone please answer for me: 1) The control panel let me get into xfce. But HOW is one supposed to

[sugar] ATTN Activity Authors/Owners: Default activity icon colors

2008-08-01 Thread Eben Eliason
Ticket #7741 [1] points out that inconsistencies in the default colors of activity icons appear in the filter of the Journal. This is Sugar's fault, not yours. Unfortunately, we can't adjust the APIs as needed in order to fix this correctly for 8.2, and so we instead humbly request that all

Re: [sugar] current network differentiation?

2008-07-31 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it intentional that the currently-connected network is no longer differentiated in the neighborhood view? the outer ring of that network icon used to be white -- it no longer is. This is intentional. The colors of the stroke/fill

Re: [sugar] current network differentiation?

2008-07-31 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eben wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is it intentional that the currently-connected network is no longer differentiated in the neighborhood view? the outer ring of that network icon used

Re: [sugar] current network differentiation?

2008-07-31 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 03:23:47PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: The new design does not make any indication of which network is presently associated in the Neighborhood view; perhaps we can find an alternative method

Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity

2008-07-31 Thread Eben Eliason
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 11:29 PM, FFM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe somewhere in the frame (forever, thus able to provide contextual assistance in the future), or as a throbbing icon on the home view (just for the first launch)? All of our initial discussions on help focused around a

Re: [sugar] Programming environments on the XO

2008-07-30 Thread Eben Eliason
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Tomeu Vizoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 12:44 PM, Martin Sevior [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:50 +1000, Martin Sevior wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-17 at 23:32 -0400, Brian Jordan wrote: The open source project Gobby

Re: [sugar] Killing hung activities

2008-07-29 Thread Eben Eliason
Indeed, the need for this has been expressed in a long forgotten ticket. I do think it's something we should support in some fashion, and something worth a look for 9.1. More comments on the ticket: http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/1166#comment:8 (The in the ring activities mentioned are now in the

Re: [sugar] inconsistent identification regarding full-screen sessions

2008-07-29 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Mikus Grinbergs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI - I am not writing a ticket at this time (until I can reproduce consistent misbehavior). G1G1. Joyride manually updated to 2216. Fair enough. It sounds like we need to tease it apart a bit first; there might be 3

Re: [sugar] patch for a first boot launch of a Help activity

2008-07-29 Thread Eben Eliason
My personal opinion on the matter is that we shouldn't be doing the launch automatically, but others are welcome to disagree. =) I think the presence of a nice, clean, question mark icon on the Home screen after boot will be plenty for those that want to jump into help right away, and instilling

Re: [sugar] Activity name box is too small for localized name

2008-07-28 Thread Eben Eliason
This can be fixed globally, and really, it seems there's no reason for it to be so small. There's room. Could you file a new ticket in trac ( http://dev.laptop.org/) and assign it to the Sugar component? Thanks! - Eben On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Korakurider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [sugar] pulsing icon code move from sugar to sugar-toolkit?

2008-07-21 Thread Eben Eliason
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:49:31AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:37 AM, Martin Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:45:16AM +0200, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote:

Re: [sugar] pulsing icon code move from sugar to sugar-toolkit?

2008-07-21 Thread Eben Eliason
::sigh:: ok. =) On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Eben Eliason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But... I cringe to think of not having this feedback. Network/mesh behaviors have been a real sore spot in the UI

Re: [sugar] Question about clipboard service

2008-07-19 Thread Eben Eliason
I can't tell from your wording if you are implying that we will or will not be creating some custom wrappers for the clipboard service. I think we absolutely need them to accomplish several critical clipboard issues (among them, specifying icons, colors, titles, and previews for clippings). In

Re: [sugar] URL and Integration

2008-07-19 Thread Eben Eliason
/me feels silly. =) On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 09:31:24PM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On the other hand, maybe what we need more is a forum space. You do realize that both forum.laptop.org and the OLPCNews forum have been

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