[Sugar-devel] sugar-drawing assert

2009-03-25 Thread Tobias Steinicke
Hi at all, I play a little bit with sugar on ubuntu intrepid with there own packages. Now i have a program written in python and gtk. When i run this program i get this message "ERROR:sugar-drawing.c:358:sugar_draw_rounded_arrow: code should not be reached" When i run this program as root i have

[Sugar-devel] Pico no Nano in Soas2-0325 by design?

2009-03-25 Thread Frederick Grose
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Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] teacher recruitment letter

2009-03-25 Thread Luke Faraone
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 9:28 PM, Kathy Pusztavari wrote: > Is there any way to boot off of a thumb drive with a linux OS and sugar > on it? On either a mac or windows machine? > Yes, that's the goal of *S*ugar *o*n *a* *S*tick. See http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation -

Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] teacher recruitment letter

2009-03-25 Thread Luke Faraone
Kathy Pusztavari wrote: > I'm replying to an older message. Yes, I agree it would very helpful if > sugar were ported to PC (SoaS). In my area (Oregon) there are mostly older > PCs running Win 2000 and XP (in classrooms and labs). Essentially these are > hand me downs, donations, and freebies.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Collaboration for museum project

2009-03-25 Thread Sameer Verma
2009/3/24 Luke Faraone : > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >> The Tech Museum of Innovation in San Jose would like to create an >> exhibit of XOs and invite school classes in with their teachers. This >> depends on how well we can get collaboration working. I have had ma

Re: [Sugar-devel] [math4] teacher recruitment letter

2009-03-25 Thread Mel Chua
This is probably a good question for the http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel list as that's where the SoaS discussions take place(moving it over now). --Mel Kathy Pusztavari wrote: > I'm replying to an older message. Yes, I agree it would very helpful if > sugar were ported to PC (

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-03-24

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
Rafael I hope you have a full recovery I had a similar experience 30 years ago with a beating, 3 guys and a gun to my eye it's tough, not something you forget, although you can come out stronger - I hope you do, I know I did but it did take some time Sean On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 8:21 PM, Rafael

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Walter Bender wrote: > I thought Fred was getting at a much simpler idea. For example, > Measure, when it is collaborating, is sending a simple data stream to > each member of the collaboration. Why couldn't a chart program join in > and instead of ren

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround

2009-03-25 Thread Peter Robinson
> I'm trying to implement a very basic python module for handling XKB > stuff. It is based on libxklavier[1], and can currently show the > layouts available, as well as the variants for each layout. I will put > this into Git as soon as I have figured out how to set the XKB > configuration as well.

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Wade Brainerd
To simplify, I think MIME types are the best way to communicate between activities. Spreadsheet data can be text/csv, image data can be image/png, plain text can be text/plain etc. That's currently what's supported by the clipboard anyway. All activities have to do is implement a little more adv

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
The biggest problem was, I had used an ancient version of the fedora utility from way back at the beginning of March (!) which didn't load any of /boot/olpc.fth The SoaS-2 March 21st I booted the Aspire One with yesterday I had done with Unetbootin for Windows. The SoaS-2 March 25th done with fedo

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
Great. So do you think the problem was the SoaS image or FAT vs FAT32? I do recall that OFW used to be finicky about USB keys that no longer had their factory formatting. -walter On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > Success booting an XO-1 with March 23rd SoaS-1! > > I allotted 1

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
Success booting an XO-1 with March 23rd SoaS-1! I allotted 130 Mb persistent storage on 2 Gb stick formatted FAT (not FAT32) on WinXP then .iso loaded with fedora LiveUSB Creator v3.6.3 utility. (Note: utility insulted me for trying to overwrite the bootable stick which wouldn't boot so reformat n

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround

2009-03-25 Thread Sayamindu Dasgupta
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Martin Dengler wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: >> [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for >> keyboard configuration] > > We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people >

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Frederick Grose
Just thinking at the conceptual level. How about filtering irrelevant method calls and signals? How about a RESTful interface ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_State_Transfer)? I don't know. Just thinking... Thanks for contributing! --Fred On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Benjam

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
I thought Fred was getting at a much simpler idea. For example, Measure, when it is collaborating, is sending a simple data stream to each member of the collaboration. Why couldn't a chart program join in and instead of rendering the datastream as a waveform, it would render it as a piechart. Of co

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For the moment, I assume you are speaking of our current network collaboration technologies. Walter Bender wrote: > Interesting idea. I don't see why this couldn't work; I am not sure of > the security implications, but I don't see why collaboration a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Summer of Code Proposal: Furthering Speech Recognition in Sugar.

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
Kids often start by spelling their own name, in uppercase, for example to sign a drawing or to recognize a label for belongings. Of course, the Jans of this world have an easier time than the Fernandos, but everybody tries, backwards Ns and all. In our house, Memorize was a hit with the under-5 s

Re: [Sugar-devel] Summer of Code Proposal: Furthering Speech Recognition in Sugar.

2009-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 satya komaragiri wrote: > Games like 'Hangman' can be implemented. These are all letter based > and the fun quotient and group involvement increases due to voice > input. I think you have said it quite well. The benefit is almost entirely in the "fun

Re: [Sugar-devel] Summer of Code Proposal: Furthering Speech Recognition in Sugar.

2009-03-25 Thread satya komaragiri
Hello, > I must admit that I cannot say exactly what this is "useful" for.  In my > experience, there is at most a very narrow age window in which children > can spell, but not type.  It would certainly be a very nifty demo, and > might help us to "engage" users.  Your proposal will have a better

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
Interesting idea. I don't see why this couldn't work; I am not sure of the security implications, but I don't see why collaboration always has to be between two identical activities. -walter 2009/3/25 Frederick Grose : > Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? > >    --Fred > > On Wed,

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Frederick Grose
Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? --Fred On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > Seconding Walter...more inline. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about > for > > aw

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-03-24

2009-03-25 Thread Rafael Enrique Ortiz Guerrero
Hello Walter and all. Thanks for the wishes, I'm ok now, i was in the hospital for 10 days and now I'm at home resting. It was a robbery and i got stabbed in the back resulting in my left lung getting compromised..it's a shame because the thieves were like 14-16 years old..in conclusion this situ

[Sugar-devel] Fwd: Google Summer of Code proposal: Speech integration in sugar(Chirag Jain)

2009-03-25 Thread Assim Deodia
Hi Hemant, I am forwarding your mail to the new sugar devel list. It has been shifted to sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org. Thanks for clarifying things. -- Forwarded message -- From: Hemant Goyal Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code proposal: Spe

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Eben Eliason
Seconding Walter...more inline. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about for > awhile. > > What's the "recommended" way to transfer data between activities? > > Say, I record some data in Measure and want to im

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
OK, no boot from today's SoaS-2 in the slot However, when rebooting, "Esc" countdown did not appear unless Check key pressed at OK forth prompt I typed: ok boot u:\boot\olpc.fth the script started then failed with this text: * mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /de

Re: [Sugar-devel] XO-1 keyboard issues, partial setxkbmap workaround

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 04:26:17AM +0530, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote: > [olpc set /etc/sysconfig/keyboard from OFW's data and had no UI for > keyboard configuration] We could just get rid of the keyboard configure GUI and have people edit the file still (and automatically maintain it as you suggest)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] do not try to build appliance if live iso build failed

2009-03-25 Thread Simon Schampijer
Alexander Boström wrote: > For SoaS: > > set -e is just "exit on error" which I think is the sane thing to do in > any shell script. > > --- > build |3 +++ > 1 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/build b/build > index ddde4aa..c99a9dc 100755 > --- a/build > +

Re: [Sugar-devel] Summer of Code Proposal: Furthering Speech Recognition in Sugar.

2009-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 satya komaragiri wrote: > I can showcase one of its potential usages by integrating speech > capabilities to the 'Listen and Spell' activity where the child can > spell out the word verbally. I want to let the children speak out the > spelling rather t

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
hmmm... yes, I downloaded and installed v3.2 on March 4th... four days before the new version came out! the utility itself keeps as a big fat secret what version it is... I'll be happy if that fixes the problem... but upset if the 8 or 10 hours I have put in trying to boot useless sticks was beca

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Wade Brainerd
I believe only the most recent LiveUSB Creator programs will put an 'olpc.fth' on there for you. Maybe the sticks were created with an older version? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > OK thanks Wade > > If you can tell me just which image you have, I can try with that one. > >

[Sugar-devel] "7 Meilen Stiefel" or New Soas-2 image available

2009-03-25 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, the soas team is wearing their "7 Meilen Stiefel" those days! News: - abiword (the 'olpc' version with abicollab enabled) - Sharing in Write does work now! - latest NetworkManager (fixes rh #491620) - new version of the Imageviewer activity: - Fix initial zoom level being extremely

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
OK thanks Wade If you can tell me just which image you have, I can try with that one. Same behavior with the SD card in or out, and on the other XO with no SD card at all. Neither the SoaS-1 (March 5th), nor the SoaS-2 (March 21st) have a 'boot' directory, nor a '.fth' Forth script at all. If I

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Wade Brainerd
Hey Sean, FWIW I have successfully booted my XO-1 from SoaS-1 using an older image, I haven't tried the latest. I used LiveUSB Creator for Windows with a PATRIOT 2GB stick. What you might be seeing is that you have a SD card with a bootable partition on your XO. I think that might take priority

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS won't boot XO-1s?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
I'm sorry, but I'm a bit confused here, is it possible or not at this time to boot an XO-1 from a SoaS image (as we claim on the wiki: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Installation/OLPC)? if so, how? since the instructions for Option 1 on the wiki page are not working for me. I see t

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #625 LOW: login screen on soas-2 should be branded?

2009-03-25 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 15:29, Sean DALY wrote: > I strongly support anything we can do to tell users what it is they > are using, ideally with a version number. > > Can we envisage a "sugarlabs" splash page after the fedora splash page? Added http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/628 about it. Regard

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread NoiseEHC
Wade Brainerd wrote: > This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about > for awhile. > What's the "recommended" way to transfer data between activities? > Say, I record some data in Measure and want to import it into Chart. > Or I generate some data in Finance and want to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Bugs] #625 LOW: login screen on soas-2 should be branded?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
I strongly support anything we can do to tell users what it is they are using, ideally with a version number. Can we envisage a "sugarlabs" splash page after the fedora splash page? As we tackle the support problem, helping a non-computer whiz user easily identify the running version is vvery nec

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
The clipboard and the Journal are two recommended mechanisms. I would think that in the case of the Chart activity, the Journal would generally be more appropriate: you gather/generate some data in one activity, save to Journal, and then open the data file in Chart to explore various visualizations

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Wade Brainerd
This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about for awhile. What's the "recommended" way to transfer data between activities? Say, I record some data in Measure and want to import it into Chart. Or I generate some data in Finance and want to import it into Chart. Is the C

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
The Measure activity is another approach to consider: data collection from multiple sources are shared and displayed in the same visualization space. -walter On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Eben Eliason wrote: > 2009/3/23 Jameson Quinn : >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benso

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [Announce] Sugar Labs wiki team 2009 launch meeting 30 March 2009 17:00 UTC (13:00 EDT, 10:00 PDT)

2009-03-25 Thread David Farning
The biggest gap in our wiki is scheduling and providing feedback on meetings and events. It must be: 1a. Easy for a team coordinator to scheudal a meeting. 1b. Easy for a participant to add items to the agenda. 2. Easy for a new participant to discover when meetings are held. 3.Easy to find and re

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
Thank you Martin! :D I have edited my wiki page to reflect them! On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri > wrote: > > Yep, I will! In fact will be on it now. > > Thanks, btw while replying back here, do I add your email i

[Sugar-devel] sugar-jhbuild on Ubuntu Jaunty supported (was: Re: Sugar on various distros)

2009-03-25 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:02:18AM +0200, Morgan Collett wrote: [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/338395 Seems fixed now... Fix got released finally (either yesterday or the day before); with the latest sugar-jhbuild (now including Python 2.6 support) Ubuntu Jaunty i

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri wrote: > Yep, I will! In fact will be on it now. > Thanks, btw while replying back here, do I add your email id to "To" or just > send to sugar-devel? Up to you. I am on sugar-devel. If you send it to me as well as to sugar-devel, my MUA sh

Re: [Sugar-devel] print support proposal up and running!(uses moodle)

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
correction : /would print the specified file on the server. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:23 PM, Vamsi Krishna Davuluri < vamsi.davul...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ah yes, thanks for pointing it out for me! I hadn't given critical thought > about avoiding the client-server cups setup. Case is its not eve

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
Yep, I will! In fact will be on it now. Thanks, btw while replying back here, do I add your email id to "To" or just send to sugar-devel? On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:11 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > 2009/3/25 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri : > > And I see your point for the alternative (no XO case), I will

Re: [Sugar-devel] print support proposal up and running!(uses moodle)

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
Ah yes, thanks for pointing it out for me! I hadn't given critical thought about avoiding the client-server cups setup. Case is its not even required, as the server will be having the printer (or if some other machine, I will just write code which configures it to the network printer on the server

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/3/25 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri : > And I see your point for the alternative (no XO case), I will implement it ! Cool. Still makes sense to build it within moodle (those "other" users need to have a moodle account for many other things anyway...) Sounds like the plan is taking shape -- you'll ad

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
Agreed, I thought the same thing, but in my excitement I couldn't put it out coherently. :P The activity actually makes the transfer simple for the kids. And I see your point for the alternative (no XO case), I will implement it ! Thanks! ___ Sugar-dev

Re: [Sugar-devel] print support proposal up and running!(uses moodle)

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
"- new Activities may include with the m the ability to turn their own "document" files into a PDF, so at activity-install time, you may want to poke the activity metadata to extend the list of mimetypes handled. " " - cups has lots of overhead and complication, if you find a simpler way to print

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
Well, thought that your workflow was to 1 - use activity X to create / get the document to print 2 - hit a "print" button or option in the Journal - this creates a PDF 3 - go to Browse.xo and visit the "Local schoolserver" which shows the Moodle UI 4 - find the "print" page, and upload the PDF to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Server-devel] Fwd: Regarding adding a moodle plugin

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
That would be a killer addon! I could just use libxmlrpc and write an activity which sends the pdfs to the php data warehouse server side, also prompt for the user's login. But wouldn't it be really the same thing as logging in from the moodle's plugin page, and sending those files? I guess it kill

Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
ok thanks I'm signed up & i'll peruse the archives I had looked all over the Sugar Labs wiki for that list and gave up :-( On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Sean DALY wrote: >> If only I knew where to find it... > > ;-) search the lis

Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > If only I knew where to find it... ;-) search the list archive for 'headless' and for 'xs on xo' for starters. Here is an example scoped to the correct archive: http://www.google.be/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alists.laptop.org%2Fpipermail%2Fserver-d

Re: [Sugar-devel] print support proposal up and running!(uses moodle)

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
2009/3/25 Vamsi Krishna Davuluri : > So, here is an almost finished version of my Print Proposal minus the second > community member remarks. ( cc Martin Langhoff please give me your views on > this if possible) > > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support Looks good! A couple of notes... On th

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on various distros

2009-03-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 01:03:13AM +0100, Sascha Silbe wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:08:24PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >>> (*) Really bad hack, will break updates of unrelated packages in >>> very interesting ways. >> I must admit that I

Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-25 Thread Sean DALY
If only I knew where to find it... On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Sean DALY wrote: >> coming in off the cuff here, but have we looked at headless "network >> appliance" type machines as school servers? > > yes (well, duh ;-) ). Pros a

Re: [Sugar-devel] How is SoaS built?

2009-03-25 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > coming in off the cuff here, but have we looked at headless "network > appliance" type machines as school servers? yes (well, duh ;-) ). Pros and cons discussed abundantly on server-devel ;-) m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on various distros

2009-03-25 Thread Morgan Collett
2009/3/25 Sascha Silbe : > While I have little sympathy with those responsible for the breakage as well > (it was not tested very well), it wasn't due to "running ahead" but due to > an improper patch. See [1] for details. > > [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python2.6/+bug/338395 See

[Sugar-devel] print support proposal up and running!(uses moodle)

2009-03-25 Thread Vamsi Krishna Davuluri
Hello! So, here is an almost finished version of my Print Proposal minus the second community member remarks. ( cc Martin Langhoff please give me your views on this if possible) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support Please file in your questions or views under the discussion tab in the page