Re: [Sugar-devel] depending on introspection

2010-08-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 19:20, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Daniel Drake's message of Fri Jun 18 16:08:34 + 2010: Fair points, but these are all Debian's problems, in my opinion. It falls into the We're innovating, can you keep up? camp. No, they're

Re: [Sugar-devel] depending on introspection

2010-08-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:05, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 19:20, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Daniel Drake's message of Fri Jun 18 16:08:34 + 2010: Fair points, but these are all Debian's problems, in my opinion.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [olpc-nz] Samoa deployments

2010-08-18 Thread Tom Parker
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 11:42 -0400, David Farning wrote: Awesome please submit the bug reports to the sl bug tracker with the keyword 'dextrose' or to this ML. We are monitoring the list as it is the best source of feed back in the sugar/olpc ecosystem. We installed os300py on all the laptops

Re: [Sugar-devel] Browse-115 stops when pop-up tab closes

2010-08-18 Thread Lucian Branescu
On 18 August 2010 03:06, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com wrote: Afaict, this isn't a bug in Browse, but in sugar.activity.Activity. I also can't find any evidence in the logs that it

[Sugar-devel] Help testing new sugar packages in F14

2010-08-18 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, to get the new Sugar release 0.90 [1] into shape and make it a stable release we want people to test the nightly Soas snapshots [2]. In order to get the new packaged tarballs into those builds they have to meet certain criteria first [3], hence we need people testing them. You can simply

[Sugar-devel] UI testing, GitHub (was Re: List of widgets used in Sugar?)

2010-08-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Tim McNamara's message of Mon Aug 16 04:41:39 +0200 2010: More generally, Experior is coming along relatively nicely. Great news! The canonical branch is being hosted on GitHub [3]. Partially because I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. Mainly because of its lightweight

[Sugar-devel] Why automated testing and dogfooding is crucial (was: Re: code submitted for review should have been tested)

2010-08-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Tomeu Vizoso's message of Wed Aug 11 12:22:00 +0200 2010: any code contributor is expecting that their patches will be tested by the reviewer? A contributor should test their code to the best of their ability. A reviewer can, but doesn't have to test the code. A tester can, but

Re: [Sugar-devel] Why automated testing and dogfooding is crucial (was: Re: code submitted for review should have been tested)

2010-08-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:54, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-de...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Tomeu Vizoso's message of Wed Aug 11 12:22:00 +0200 2010: any code contributor is expecting that their patches will be tested by the reviewer? A contributor should test their code to the best

Re: [Sugar-devel] touchpad mode selection

2010-08-18 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 08/07/2010 08:22 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Paul Foxp...@laptop.org wrote: walter -- currently we try at boot time and set the touchpad to whichever mode the user last requested. moving this initialization to sugar was one of the last changes you made to the

Re: [Sugar-devel] touchpad mode selection

2010-08-18 Thread Paul Fox
simon wrote: On 08/07/2010 08:22 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Paul Foxp...@laptop.org wrote: walter -- currently we try at boot time and set the touchpad to whichever mode the user last requested. moving this initialization to sugar was one of the last

Re: [Sugar-devel] touchpad mode selection

2010-08-18 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 08/18/2010 02:30 PM, Paul Fox wrote: simon wrote: On 08/07/2010 08:22 PM, Walter Bender wrote: On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Paul Foxp...@laptop.org wrote: walter -- currently we try at boot time and set the touchpad to whichever mode the user last requested.

Re: [Sugar-devel] touchpad mode selection

2010-08-18 Thread forster
Hi I was playing with OS373pyg and managed to disable the touchpad. Fortunately I was able to recover by pressing the power button. I was expecting to get a dialogue or something. My thinking is that its too easy to switch modes and that there should be some warning. There is no key press

[Sugar-devel] Feature Freeze exception request: spiral extension to Home View feature

2010-08-18 Thread Walter Bender
I am requesting an exception to Feature Freeze. I just completed what I hope to be the final clean up of the spiral extension to the Home View. The ticket is here: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2143 The patch is here:

Re: [Sugar-devel] touchpad mode selection

2010-08-18 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 8:47 AM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Hi I was playing with OS373pyg and managed to disable the touchpad. Fortunately I was able to recover by pressing the power button. I was expecting to get a dialogue or something. My thinking is that its too easy to switch

Re: [Sugar-devel] Help testing new sugar packages in F14

2010-08-18 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 08/18/2010 11:52 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, to get the new Sugar release 0.90 [1] into shape and make it a stable release we want people to test the nightly Soas snapshots [2]. In order to get the new packaged tarballs into those builds they have to meet certain criteria first [3],

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Help testing new sugar packages in F14

2010-08-18 Thread Gary Martin
On 18 Aug 2010, at 16:55, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 08/18/2010 11:52 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, to get the new Sugar release 0.90 [1] into shape and make it a stable release we want people to test the nightly Soas snapshots [2]. In order to get the new packaged tarballs into those

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle

2010-08-18 Thread Martin Abente
On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:41:29 -0400, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: This ticket has some important discussion that was proposed for airing on the mailing list. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2074 There are patches under review that would delete learner data, perhaps unwittingly.

[Sugar-devel] Enabling logging by default

2010-08-18 Thread Luke Faraone
Hi, I was looking at Sugar on Ubuntu, and we were considering enabling logging (in ~/.sugar/debug) by default. Is there any reason not to do this, when targeting machines that aren't resource constrained like the XO? Would it be sensible to have it enabled as a default upstream in Sugar?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enabling logging by default

2010-08-18 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 21:19, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote: Hi, I was looking at Sugar on Ubuntu, and we were considering enabling logging (in ~/.sugar/debug) by default. Is there any reason not to do this, when targeting machines that aren't resource constrained like the XO? Would

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enabling logging by default

2010-08-18 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 18-08-2010 a las 15:19 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: Hi, I was looking at Sugar on Ubuntu, and we were considering enabling logging (in ~/.sugar/debug) by default. Is there any reason not to do this, when targeting machines that aren't resource constrained like the XO? Would it be

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle

2010-08-18 Thread Daniel Drake
On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase' button. For the proposed patch, to prevent the unwitting loss of Activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] touchpad mode selection

2010-08-18 Thread forster
While you cursor is over the button, you can just click to revert. Thanks I missed that, did the cursor jump or was I being stupid? Either way it shows that the unsuspecting user can get confused Tony ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] touchpad mode selection

2010-08-18 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:06 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: While you cursor is over the button, you can just click to revert. Thanks I missed that, did the cursor jump or was I being stupid? Either way it shows that the unsuspecting user can get confused The cursor should move. But

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle

2010-08-18 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative 'Keep' and positive 'Erase'

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle

2010-08-18 Thread Thomas Gilliard
Walter Bender wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently erase the Activity (bundle). It provides a negative

[Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread forster
with os373pyg if i sort the journal by creation date, all entries (except tamyblock.py) show a creation date 41 years 8 months ago. Is this right? If so its not very useful. tony ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53:11AM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: with os373pyg if i sort the journal by creation date, all entries (except tamyblock.py) show a creation date 41 years 8 months ago. Is this right? If so its not very useful. Forty one years? Two years would be fine.

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread Tabitha Roder
Forty one years? Two years would be fine. Check the time on your computer to see if it is set to the current year? How do I set the time please? I have been meaning to ask that for ages! It would be good if this was in my settings / control panel so the user can check their time and date.

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Wednesday, August 18, 2010 09:38:28 pm James Cameron wrote: On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 09:53:11AM +1000, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: with os373pyg if i sort the journal by creation date, all entries (except tamyblock.py) show a creation date 41 years 8 months ago. Is this right? If so

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enabling logging by default

2010-08-18 Thread Gary Martin
On 18 Aug 2010, at 20:36, Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Wed, 18-08-2010 a las 15:19 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: Hi, I was looking at Sugar on Ubuntu, and we were considering enabling logging (in ~/.sugar/debug) by default. Is there any reason not to do this, when targeting machines that

[Sugar-devel] setting date and time (was: re: journal sort options)

2010-08-18 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:42:47PM +1200, Tabitha Roder wrote: How do I set the time please? I have been meaning to ask that for ages! It would be good if this was in my settings / control panel so the user can check their time and date. The short answer; switch to GNOME and set it there.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enabling logging by default

2010-08-18 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Wed, 18-08-2010 a las 15:38 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: On 08/18/2010 03:36 PM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Wed, 18-08-2010 a las 15:19 -0400, Luke Faraone escribió: Hi, I was looking at Sugar on Ubuntu, and we were considering enabling logging (in ~/.sugar/debug) by default. Is

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread forster
That's a zero in a ctime property (it counts since the Unix epoch). Do new entries display correct ctimes? It may be that a reindex didn't trigger on upgrade. depends on what you call a new entry, saved activities are all 41 years, but saved photos, clipboard items and tamyblock.py(saved

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread Andrés Ambrois
On Wednesday, August 18, 2010 10:27:47 pm fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: That's a zero in a ctime property (it counts since the Unix epoch). Do new entries display correct ctimes? It may be that a reindex didn't trigger on upgrade. depends on what you call a new entry, saved

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Deleting Activity directory when deleting Activity bundle

2010-08-18 Thread Gary Martin
On 19 Aug 2010, at 00:38, Thomas Gilliard wrote: Walter Bender wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 30 July 2010 13:41, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: A 'Confirm erase' alert dialog appears that asks if you want to permanently

Re: [Sugar-devel] setting date and time (was: re: journal sort options)

2010-08-18 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Thu, 19-08-2010 a las 11:23 +1000, James Cameron escribió: Laptops in deployments with a school server set the date and time periodically, I've heard. I've not tested this. The method used to set the clock from the oats server is (deliberately) very imprecise. See the thread Clocks on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread forster
By new entries I mean journal entries that were created after you upgraded to a build with the journal sorting feature. if i save a write document etc its 41 years old the exceptions are clipboard items, photos and tamyblock.py ___ Sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread James Cameron
Known for six months? http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1729 -- James Cameron http://quozl.linux.org.au/ ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Tony, On 19 Aug 2010, at 02:52, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: By new entries I mean journal entries that were created after you upgraded to a build with the journal sorting feature. if i save a write document etc its 41 years old the exceptions are clipboard items, photos and

Re: [Sugar-devel] journal sort options

2010-08-18 Thread Gary Martin
Hi James, On 19 Aug 2010, at 03:14, James Cameron wrote: Known for six months? http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1729 No this is/was a different issue. I'm pretty sure this was related to Journal entry corruption after hard crashes, leaving partial DS entries. I believe some work may have