Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 02:24, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Christoph Derndorfer's message of Sun Sep 05 21:57:09 +0200 2010: I just created a new ticket

Re: [Sugar-devel] known issues with collaboration in XS 0.5.2

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 19:48, Martin Langhoff mar...@laptop.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I have a local XS 0.6 that is working fine but I'm finding that the XS 0.5.2 at jabber.sugarlabs.org is not returning some results for some of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] Stability stuff

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 23:59, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Fri, 03-09-2010 a las 11:23 -0400, Martin Abente escribió: Well, thats true in theory, assuming all the activities are properly designed for sugar. In the field you already know thats not the case. Also... even when

Re: [Sugar-devel] Review of patch submitted by Martin for bug #2087

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 22:20, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 04, 2010 at 05:13:03PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Kandarp Kaushik's message of Sat Sep 04 16:16:57 +0200 2010: [data/sugar.schemas.in] +      locale name=C +        shortProtected Activities

Re: [Sugar-devel] Alt + Tab issue on sugar-emulator

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 21:31, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Dipankar Patro's message of Sun Sep 05 20:34:55 +0200 2010: I was unable to reproduce the bug because the 'Alt + Tab' function doesn't work in Sugar on Ubuntu (Neither in emulator nor in

[Sugar-devel] requesting reviews

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, please don't submit the same patch for review to both trac and the mailing list, otherwise the review discussion bifurcates. Thanks, Tomeu ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: I don't think you can give Sugar an accountname as a startup parameter, so there's at least something to change. When you start Sugar, you are already in an user account, so you don't really need to give it an username.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Marco Pesenti Gritti ma...@marcopg.org wrote: Not sure how account name and sugar nick name should interact. Ideally they would be the same I think, but then you can't change the name easily. A possible approach might be sugar nick name == account full name. I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Samuel Klein's message of Mon Sep 06 02:24:28 +0200 2010: Supporting user accounts is not a novel mechanism, and probably sufficient, but doing it in a Sugar-like way would still benefit from child-focused design and input. While a display manager similar in (graphical) design

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Patch to display 'Sugar inside Xephyr' instead of 'Xephyr on' in the title bar. Ticket #2285

2010-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:12 PM, Ishan Bansal is...@seeta.in wrote: This patch is to display 'Sugar inside Xephyr' instead of 'Xephyr on' in the title bar of the sugar windows. ---  sugar-0.88-0.88.1/src/jarabe/util/emulator.py |    1 +  1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff

Re: [Sugar-devel] requesting reviews

2010-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Hi, please don't submit the same patch for review to both trac and the mailing list, otherwise the review discussion bifurcates. I would add this to http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Development_Team/Code_Review in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch review request for ticket #2290

2010-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Dipankar Patro dipan...@seeta.in wrote: Hi, In reference to ticket #2290 (http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2290) I have uploaded a patch (have attached it too). Problem: in the register procedure the time out of connection was not implemented, for an

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Marco Pesenti Gritti's message of Mon Sep 06 11:05:07 +0200 2010: Not sure how account name and sugar nick name should interact. Ideally they would be the same I think, but then you can't change the name easily. I'd treat the user account name as an internal implementation

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch review request for ticket #2290

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:51, Marco Pesenti Gritti ma...@marcopg.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Dipankar Patro dipan...@seeta.in wrote: Hi, In reference to ticket #2290 (http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2290) I have uploaded a patch (have attached it too). Problem: in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Alt + Tab issue on sugar-emulator

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Tomeu Vizoso's message of Mon Sep 06 10:46:43 +0200 2010: [Alt-Tab doesn't work] That's probably due to the same bug I've hit on Debian and Bernie before me on Fedora 11. Also note that Xephyr has been almost fully rewritten lately and is now kind-of-maintained again. So may

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Marco Pesenti Gritti's message of Mon Sep 06 11:11:53 +0200 2010: A possible approach might be sugar nick name == account full name. I think at least gdm has a way to show full name instead of user name. (At least) KDM can even show pictures for each user = XO icons. But since

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracking Vs Patch review

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Thu Sep 02 23:28:39 +0200 2010: On Fedora 13, git-send-email is not requires by sugar-jhbuild. If this is the official way to submit patches, then git-email should be added to sysdeps. Added (on all distros). Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Build Squeak VM 4.0.3 from tarfile

2010-09-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 03.09.2010, at 10:47, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 00:10, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: This is almost the same as my patch from April, which never made it in. Instead of building from the outdated olpc subversion branch, the Squeak VM is build from a release

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, Sep 06, 2010 at 12:53:23PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: (At least) KDM can even show pictures for each user = XO icons. But since AFAIK there's no standard on where to put these and in which format, I'd definitely leave this integration issue up to the integrators i.e. distributions and

[Sugar-devel] git send-email (was: Re: Bug tracking Vs Patch review)

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Fri Sep 03 00:06:23 +0200 2010: Also, mail sent this way gets blocked, see below. I'll send it again using my regular mailer. There are two issues: 1. You are a second class internet citizen (dial-up), so you need to relay your mails via a first

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracking Vs Patch review

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Thu Sep 02 22:49:46 +0200 2010: The ticket must be closed in Trac when the code its commited? In general, yes. We consider it fixed when the code is in git. The ticket might be kept open if it's going to be backported to some previous version (keywords

[Sugar-devel] Sugar 0.88 doesn report all favourite connections to NetworkManager at startuo

2010-09-06 Thread Franco Miceli
Hi list, While making mods to NM autoconnection feature I've come across a weird behaviour from the favourites connections (/home/olpc/.sugar/ connections.cfg) reported to NetworkManager at startup. What I've seen is that -only at startup- just one connection gets reported to

Re: [Sugar-devel] git send-email (was: Re: Bug tracking Vs Patch review)

2010-09-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 06.09.2010, at 13:23, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Fri Sep 03 00:06:23 +0200 2010: Also, mail sent this way gets blocked, see below. I'll send it again using my regular mailer. There are two issues: 1. You are a second class internet citizen

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bug tracking Vs Patch review

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 13:33, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Gonzalo Odiard's message of Thu Sep 02 22:49:46 +0200 2010: The ticket must be closed in Trac when the code its commited? In general, yes. We consider it fixed when the code is in git. The

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Daniel Drake
On 5 September 2010 13:57, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just created a new ticket (http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2292) to get some discussions started on what changes need to be made to Sugar to work well in an environment where multiple users will work

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from James Cameron's message of Mon Sep 06 13:18:20 +0200 2010: [XO icons in display manager] http://library.gnome.org/admin/gdm/stable/overview.html.en Both KDM and GDM appear to handle ~/.face.icon [...] Interesting, thanks for the pointer! Given that there actually is some kind of

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: [PATCH] Protected-Activities-Support.3

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 22:18, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Kandarp Kaushik's message of Sat Sep 04 21:41:10 +0200 2010: Thanks for submitting the patch with git send-email, I could apply it now. Please: - test your patch before submitting it (there's

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] giving feedback when a transfer finishes (was Re: #2111 NORM: File Transfer don't work: the transfer never finish)

2010-09-06 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, Daniel from Uruguay has valuable feedback about the file transfer functionality. How can we make it clearer that a transfer has completed? Or maybe we don't need to show anything at all and just remove silently the icon from the frame? Regards, Tomeu On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 15:17, Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] git send-email

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Mon Sep 06 14:10:50 +0200 2010: 2. You haven't set up git-email correctly: user.email isn't set. IIRC it should have told you that when sending. Actually my mail address was set in git, and used correctly as you can see in the bounce report.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread pbrobin...@gmail.com
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 5 September 2010 13:57, Christoph Derndorfer christoph.derndor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just created a new ticket (http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2292) to get some discussions started on what changes need to be made to

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start page / Sugar Labs start page) in the Browse activity. I think in 0.84, as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Lucian Branescu
On 6 September 2010 15:25, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking how to go back to the home page (OLPC start

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/06/2010 10:14 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 02:24, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org wrote: Excerpts from Christoph Derndorfer's message of Sun Sep 05 21:57:09 +0200 2010: I just

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/06/2010 04:27 PM, Lucian Branescu wrote: On 6 September 2010 15:25, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something: Deployment(s) have been asking

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
+1 We don't have other view of the library right now. Gonzalo On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: Hi, I can well imagine there had been several discussions about this before, even so a quick search of the archives did not reveal something:

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Error/Warning Icons for alerts

2010-09-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, I came across the issue when working on Error messages when writing to device (Journal) [1]: Our alerts (e.g. Connecting to the school server, the error message when you can not copy an item to a removable device...) do not have an icon at the left, even though the alert does allow for

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :) Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 06.09.2010, at 17:50, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an icon in artwork already (attached) :)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Lucian Branescu
On 6 September 2010 16:53, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 06.09.2010, at 17:50, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 09/06/2010 05:53 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 06.09.2010, at 17:50, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 16:25:03 +0200 2010: I would say, adding a button that brings you back to the defined default page would be a good addition. There is even an

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Mon Sep 06 17:53:41 +0200 2010: Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can hold Alt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Sascha --

Re: [Sugar-devel] ticket:305

2010-09-06 Thread Ishan Bansal
Hi all, I am working on bug http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/305. I have identified the part of code where the changes have to made. I have committed the required changes in sugar-jhbuild present on my system. Can anyone guide me on how we can test the changes made by running sugar-emulator

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread chm
On 9/6/2010 12:34 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Mon Sep 06 17:53:41 +0200 2010: Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can holdAlt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch review request for ticket #2290

2010-09-06 Thread Dipankar Patro
Sorry for that duplicate bug. Missed out that lfaraone already filed the bug. I have attached the revised patch. (uploaded at bugs.sl.o too) * changed things (subject, description, etc) according to Sascha Silbe's suggestions. @ Marco : The default timeout is way too long (unable to find out

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 06.09.2010, at 18:34, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Bert Freudenberg's message of Mon Sep 06 17:53:41 +0200 2010: Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can hold Alt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of

[Sugar-devel] SL bug #1520

2010-09-06 Thread Mukul Gupta
Bernie, I am working on SL #1520 - http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1520 with Dipankar. We have identified the problem with reviews from Sascha and Tomeu. Appreciate your reviews and support. Sascha wrote that you have fixed this issue on Fedora. Can you please provide us the link for the patch

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Error/Warning Icons for alerts

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 17:35:58 +0200 2010: Having an icon with the alert does help learners that can not read yet, or simply when the alert is not translated in the specific language yet. I guess for the start an icon for warning and one for error would be a

Re: [Sugar-devel] screenreader for sugar

2010-09-06 Thread Esteban Arias
no, I tested with gnome desktop. 2010/9/3 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 18:25, Esteban Arias ear...@plan.ceibal.edu.uy wrote: xo-1.0 | F11 | Dextrose version | Gnome desktop | orca 2.26.3 If I set: run at startup orca run correctly. Hi Esteban, to clarify,

Re: [Sugar-devel] SL bug #1520

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Mukul Gupta's message of Mon Sep 06 19:27:32 +0200 2010: [metacity disable-keybindings not working] Sascha wrote that you have fixed this issue on Fedora. Can you please provide us the link for the patch so that we could study it, and expedite the process of fixing it in other

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from chm's message of Mon Sep 06 18:51:56 +0200 2010: FWIW you can holdAlt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Thanks for the tip. The resume sessions by default seems to work better for me when the Activity does not

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Simon Schampijer's message of Mon Sep 06 18:24:44 +0200 2010: Actually I'm surprised it isn't already in Browse. We could add a new Palette (with some location / URI related icon) containing reload and go-home. Both are used rarely enough that we don't need them in the main

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Error/Warning Icons for alerts

2010-09-06 Thread Anish Mangal
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Hi, I came across the issue when working on Error messages when writing to device (Journal) [1]: Our alerts (e.g. Connecting to the school server, the error message when you can not copy an item to a removable

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 06.09.2010, at 21:00, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from chm's message of Mon Sep 06 18:51:56 +0200 2010: FWIW you can holdAlt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Thanks for the tip. The resume sessions by default seems to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch review request for ticket #2290

2010-09-06 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Dipankar Patro's message of Mon Sep 06 19:04:04 +0200 2010: I have attached the revised patch. (uploaded at bugs.sl.o too) Please use git send-email to send patches so they appear as inline text rather than attachments. With many email clients it's hard to reply to text

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch review request for ticket #2290

2010-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Dipankar Patro dipan...@seeta.in wrote: Sorry for that duplicate bug. Missed out that lfaraone already filed the bug. I have attached the revised patch. (uploaded at bugs.sl.o too) * changed things (subject, description, etc) according to Sascha Silbe's

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patch review request for ticket #2290

2010-09-06 Thread Marco Pesenti Gritti
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: Previous discussion is actually in http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2289 and not in #2290. Looks like we cannot do XML-RPC with GIO because it doesn't support POST for http requests. The right component in our stack

Re: [Sugar-devel] Enhancing Sugar to support multiple users

2010-09-06 Thread Hal Murray
d...@laptop.org said: When we discussed this while I was in Peru, one requirement they identified is that the kid would log onto an XO one day and do some work, and then log onto another XO the following week and continue the same work. Assuming this still stands, this strongly calls for a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [olpc-nz] Twi translation

2010-09-06 Thread Brenda Wallace
I've put in a request at http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2276# Is there someone i can ping to get this moving? just keep to do so while we have a volunteer interested. On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:32 AM, David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com wrote: I have forwarded this to sugar-devel.  Often I have

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH sugar-0.84] journal scan of external media

2010-09-06 Thread James Cameron
I've noticed that on Sugar 0.84 at least, inserting external media such as a USB HDD, flash drive, or SD card with an entire operating system on it is an unpleasant experience: 1. the progress bar stutters; does not smoothly update, 2. the progress bar may not go away, depending on whether the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Home button in Browse

2010-09-06 Thread Hal Murray
Go-home would be the button I press most often, to counteract auto-resuming. FWIW you can hold Alt while clicking on the activity to start a new instance instead of resuming the most recent one. Neat/thanks. Where is that documented? What else have I missed? It didn't work for me. Is