On 17 November 2013 19:33, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Otherwise I suppose it might make sense to move sugar-build to F20 at this
point, I suppose it's not horribly unstable these days...
Well maybe not a great idea given Google Code-In is starting soon
as I know no one is working on F19 based stuff (?). Mostly worried
about Google Code-In. I suppose better to do it before or after it.
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El 17/11/13 13:12, Daniel Narvaez escribió:
I spent the last month trying to get mantainers to respond to requests
to update
GTK2 branches with translations, with barely any response except Manuq
and Gonzalo
On 17 November 2013 20:33, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Just a reminder that SoaS v10 beta [1] is out for both x86 and ARM and
testing and feedback would be absolutely fabulous. I believe it's one
of our strongest and best releases to date.
Awesome!
Just a few
On 17 November 2013 21:52, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
I made a patches to hide those. I submitted the sugar part for review
Argh, sent accidentally...
I submitted the sugar part for review
https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/125
I will push the (trivial) sugar-runner part
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On 17 November 2013 19:33, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Otherwise I suppose it might make sense to move sugar-build to F20
On 17 November 2013 23:13, Jerry Vonau jvo...@shaw.ca wrote:
On Sun, 2013-11-17 at 20:28 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Jerry Vonau jvo...@shaw.ca wrote:
Hi Peter,
On Sun, 2013-11-17 at 19:33 +, Peter Robinson wrote:
Secondly, a minor annoyance
On 16 November 2013 17:13, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote:
2013/11/16 Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
Okay. I guessed it was use as a way to detect Sugar Linux or Sugar Web
but I didn't figure how. To hack it I've forced the creation of the sugar
object (
https://github.com
On 16 November 2013 10:23, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote:
TamTamMini separated from other Suite applications, deleting files that
were
not used.
I deleted the images were not used or those that were not necessary.
Corrected, I simplified and cleaned up the code.
As
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On 16 November 2013 21:37, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote:
Okay it make sense. Thanks.
Few more questions about link between datastore and journal.
I understand that because each objectId has an activityId, it's easy for
the journal to display the related activity for each
On 15 November 2013 21:16, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote:
I wonder if we should first just fork sugar-web, implement the ideal API
for Web/Android there and later figure out how reconcile with Linux.
Reconciling is going to be a bit tricky I think, even more without a clear
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Btw it might not be possible to do multiple origins using PhoneGap (or
Android even), unless you load from a remote server rather than from the
application content.
On 14 November 2013 12:24, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
I think there is a pretty fundamental issue we need
It's probably possible on android WebView using a custom protocol with
shouldInterceptRequest, I couldn't find anything about Phonegap though.
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Btw it might not be possible to do multiple origins using PhoneGap (or
Android
Sounds like you can have your own custom WebView in Phonegap, so it
should be possible one way or another.
On 14 November 2013 12:48, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
It's probably possible on android WebView using a custom protocol with
shouldInterceptRequest, I couldn't find
not really sure which of the realistic options is the best one.
On 14 November 2013 13:21, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote:
Hi Daniel,
2013/11/14 Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com:
I think there is a pretty fundamental issue we need to figure out, the
solution to several of the issues
On 14 November 2013 10:03, Lionel Laské lio...@olpc-france.org wrote:
Here are the major issues I've faced building the prototype (all source
code is here [2]):
- Multiple copy of Sugar Framework in each activity. My work was
mostly a way to group existing Sugar Web activities. BTW I
On 15 November 2013 00:39, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if we should first just fork sugar-web, implement the ideal API
for Web/Android there and later figure out how reconcile with Linux.
Reconciling is going to be a bit tricky I think, even more without a clear
idea
Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
Let me understand this, when you talk about single-origin or
multiple-origin,
is only related to the LocalStorage access or imply something more?
Gonzalo
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Re server side. It would
France.
Lionel
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My experience has been that educational software politics and
policies have been been the dominate influence within Sugar Labs. If
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term. I mean
re-writing
but keeping the
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On 10 November 2013 21:03, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.comwrote:
Thanks for clarifying. IMO we should not rewrite Sugar and activities
using the Android SDK
- While Android is nominally free software for it's licence, it seems the
current development practices (like code
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Dude, only 2 commits by me? No way! :P
I think grepping by Signed-off-by is not quite accurate, we have not been
using
On 11 November 2013 00:02, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
Local imports are a really bad idea for code maintenance.
I know, and we have discouraged that in the past.
That is the reason I said I think this work of identify big libraries
used only in specific moments,
can be
gonz...@laptop.orgjavascript:;
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Can you explain me how you verified the library was not loaded?
Gonzalo
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It's not just theory, I verified importing evince doesn't even cause
Gonzalo
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Can you explain me how you verified the library was not loaded?
Gonzalo
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It's not just theory, I verified importing evince doesn't
Added both gsettings and activity unit test tasks to the table.
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On 8 November 2013 13:10, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote
I wonder if we should try to use bountysource.com to fund a few things we
consider strategic for Sugar Labs.
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First, we need to decide what are those strategic things.
-walter
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Just an idea
://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL
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At least the virtualbox looks doable and a good way to show Sugar.
Gonzalo
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At least the virtualbox looks doable and a good way to show Sugar.
Gonzalo
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On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean DALY wrote:
The larger problem
two years ago to make VMs the preferred method for teachers to
try Sugar met with opposition from Peter and others who preferred SoaS.
Sean
[1]
http://www.marketingsherpa.com/article/chart/average-website-conversion-rates-industry#
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will avoid having to explain to activity developers that they need to be
careful about what they import and where (especially because the issue
might be unnoticeable on the hardware they are using).
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vanished with error: Underlying
GIOStream returned 0 bytes on an async read (g-io-error-quark, 0). Exiting.
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Peter if a reasonably simple solution for multiple languages is
available - ideally, a language setup screen when first run.
Sean
1. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/DocumentationTeam/Try_Sugar
2. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/VirtualBox
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It's not just theory, I verified importing evince doesn't even cause the
library to be loaded. I don't have a XO 1 to check what is going on myself,
unfortunately.
My suggestion is to *not* checkin this kind of workaround without any clue
about why the change helps, and especially to *not*
Oh I see, the 11 is not spanish :) It's a segfault.
Does Xephyr run standalone? If it does, I suppose it's sugar crashing, you
would need to run inside gdb to get more info.
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The last message looks like it might be relevant
Oh I see, the 11 is not spanish :) It's a segfault.
Does Xephyr run standalone? If it does, I suppose it's sugar crashing, you
would need to run inside gdb to get more info.
On 9 November 2013 00:05, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
The last message looks like it might
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On 8 November 2013 13:10, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
Classmate and Classmate variants are already quick wide spread in some
deployments, e.g., Argentina
I wonder if we should try to get some classmates in the hands of Sugar Labs
community members. It seems like the most
Haha, no, it was meant to be an answer to your question... It's an
education project.
On 9 November 2013 01:03, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote:
Sorry, I forgot about that list.
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IAEP! :)
On 9
-emulator 0.98
Oh I see, the 11 is not spanish :) It's a segfault.
Does Xephyr run standalone? If it does, I suppose it's sugar crashing, you
would need to run inside gdb to get more info.
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decision point will be which version of
Sugar to use for the 14.04 release due in the second quarter of 2014.
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Cool stuff.
As for Fedora it would be great to have builds with the latest sugar
(stable
Yup
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
Maybe Sugar Web instead of Sugar Online?
We have web activities and Web Services in this release
Gonzalo
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make marketing happy with minimal disruption.
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number what have sense to all other the world.
For us have sense numbers like 102 or 1.102, but probably not for others.
Would be good try to found a numbers with a sense we can transmit.
For us, is another tag in git
Gonzalo
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., we just released Sugar 100 and are working on Sugar 102.
-walter
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What about calling it 1.102 (tech version). That shouldn't come with any
message attached... It would address the fact that we never
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_versioning
cheers,
Sameer
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What about calling it 1.102 (tech version). That shouldn't come with any
message attached... It would address the fact that we never released a
1.0
without having
on this?
- Do you discussed this topic in some occasion? or is irrelevant?
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) keeps continuity. PR will communicate
the major number, probably with a name. And not an unmarketable obscure
name, either.
Sean
Sugar Labs Marketing Coordinator
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because I don't really remember anything like that... Either my memory is
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http://coffeescript.org/#source-maps to view source
directly in modern browsers...
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If I remember correctly we agreed to discourage it because it breaks
view source
for the same rendering engine (with 1 being deprecated).
That said, I will probably be the happiest if we can implement the whole
API without the WebSocket server, but we need to prove that's possible.
Let's figure out a plan for Journal first, then we can look into the
smaller bits.
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I agree with you about major.minor, with major being the marketing
version and minor the developers one. Did I get that right? Does anyone
disagree?
What I'm not sure
concrete,
realistic approaches, I think we can at least attempt to get them done for
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I can't think now a example, but a integer is more future proof.
Gonzalo
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Is it useful for maximum_instances to be different from 1? Otherwise I
tend
to think a single_instance boolean would make more sense
should help with hardware
support.
As you might have noticed there is no Sugar on Android, other than for
drivers support and web activities running in a web browser. I don't think
going beyhond those gives us any real advantage.
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El 06/11/13 00:40, Yioryos Asprobounitis escribió:
Looking at the archives of this list you can find several cases (some
recent)
of non-conforming contributors that are not contributing anymore,
supporting the
high
On 22 October 2013 21:41, NoiseEHC noise...@gmail.com wrote:
You are right. The problem is that my views are exactly the opposite of
the decided path to take.
I don't think that's true.
I'm one of the three developers involved in the web activities work and I
like many of your ideas. Manuel
On 6 November 2013 16:12, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
* Wait and see what happens with the XO. Support existing deployments by
producing images with the most recent Sugar release. Stick to a Fedora 18
base system, the work to upgrade is highly non trivial. Provide custom
rpms
are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I
don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB.
Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for
example.
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Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I
don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't work OOTB.
Yep. Sugar is running in classmates out of the box. In Uruguay for
example.
You mean
On 6 November 2013 16:45, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18.
Please elaborate :)
I think developing web activities on two very different platforms
(WebKit1
and WebKit2) is a bad idea, it will involve more work (and
I forgot a note about toolkits
* The gtk2 toolkit is deprecated and frozen but it will be supported as
long as possible (at some point I guess some dependencies might start
disappearing from distributions, making that problematic). The gtk3 toolkit
is supported, backward API compatibility is
On 6 November 2013 17:38, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
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On 6 November 2013 16:45, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
In the short term, we don't need backport Webkit2 to F18.
Please
Gstreamer 0.10 is part of what I'm calling gtk2 toolkit, it's not
completely accurate but we have been using than terminology. So it seems we
are going to run into the issue of gtk2 toolkit pieces disappearing earlier
then I expected.
I think you can move to gst 1.0 only if you already ported to
1.0. Once I
get that working, Turtle Art will follow (that is why I still haven't
released the GTK 3 version of Turtle Art).
-walter
Gonzalo
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On 6 November 2013 18:32, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote:
No. the web-server issue is already solved.
If we want to support WebKit1, I think we should do it upstream then. I'm
still not thrilled about that but not opposed to it either.
Good. We can see what is the better way to
for a
SUGAR_WEBKIT_VERSION environment variable, set perhaps by a /usr/bin/sugar
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2013/11/7 Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com
What someone explain a simple way to contribute code to sugar, I'm 5 years
ago and I have been able to do so (the timers need help).
Did you see these docs
http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html
On 7 November 2013 02:00, Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Daniel , I'll try again.
I tried on several occasions to contribute in this way, but I see two
problems :
Generally not work in ubuntu
It's supposed work on Ubuntu. If it doesn't for you post the errors you are
of timelines and objectives.
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On 6 November 2013 16:20, Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org wrote:
Classmates are basically just x86 netbooks, I've not tried it as I
don't have HW but I don't see any reason they shouldn't
:
On 11/4/2013 4:17 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote:
On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson
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Sugar on Android or the Raspberry Pi might have an interesting
marketing effect but the result would be truly terrible
? Will deployments be able to
work with something like that? It even requires to ctrl-d on every boot...
I sort of wish the ARM vendors started to use secure uefi, and that's
saying it all :/
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez
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Thanks a lot for the feedback Peter. I will check these out.
For the record, I was thinking about Sugar on Linux on Raspberry, not
Android.
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez
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On 4
Do you know what's the status of graphics with the BeagleBone Black?
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez
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On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson
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devices (WandBard, Utilite,
CuBox-i etc) should have accelerated graphics in the F-21 time frame.
Peter
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Daniel Narvaez
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On 4 November 2013 23:05, Peter Robinson
that the gi conversion is over we can avoid that.
On Tuesday, 5 November 2013, Peter Robinson wrote:
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:14 AM, Walter Bender
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On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Daniel Narvaez
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On 4 November
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On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Daniel Narvaez
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Going a bit off topic, but a pretty major issue I see in our workflow
with
Fedora is that we don't have a good way to develop unstable Sugar on a
stable Fedora. Rawhide is, or at least
. That's
what I've been doing with Fedora and Sugar for 5 years! IMO the sugar
OOTB there just works
Peter
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