Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 07:35:25AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: This is a convincing demonstration of the utter failure in decision-making. This is overly harsh, sorry. Martin pgpwsJuO6ML8E.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel mailing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:37:52PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi,   If it were on me, I'd just ditch the XO bundle format and use   native packages for each distro.  Some are already being   packaged, and the Python distutils are capable of producing rpms   and debs with the same

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 05:15:31PM -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Hi, TBH I'm not 100% sure on that as I'm not a PackageKit developer but I believe that is addressed by ConsoleKit and as its in use on Fedora and I'm pretty sure Ubuntu and others (and I'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:02:55PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi,   If it were on me, I'd just ditch the XO bundle format and use   native packages for each distro.  Some are already being   packaged, and the Python distutils are capable of producing rpms   and debs with the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:54:09PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 05:15:31PM -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Hi,     TBH I'm not 100% sure on that as I'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:01:13PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 23:47 +0100, Martin Dengler escribió: The whole point of Rainbow is that what I think you're talking about isn't an issue, and it's encouraged that kids share Activities. Eliminating this sharing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:06:44PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 23:53 +0100, Martin Dengler escribió: Well I meant precisely what I said (sorry to be pedantic). If one replaces rpms with XO bundles, it's what we have now, and what I think's being proposed

Re: [Sugar-devel] What is Sugar LiveUSB

2009-09-19 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 11:43:53PM -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote: Martin Dengler wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: There seems to be a lack of consensus of what SoaS actually is or what it's goals (use cases) should be. I'd like to say I see your point

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:21:34AM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: From: Mel Chua m...@melchua.com [make SoaS friendly/consistent/sustainable] This is exactly the kind of feedback SoaS and deployment teams need. Kudos! I'm not sure why you see it as relevant. You're only right insofar as SoaS

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.84 for XO-1 (was Re: Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 11, Issue 94)

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 I also think that Martin Dengler is working on this as well, but I'm not sure how their work relates to each other. In the past I was building images of my own and trying to get people to test them, but for a while now I haven't had time to do more

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 12:39:08PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: This note is only tangentially a response to Peter Robinson's... Here's my thought process... [meta: it's hard to know to what email are you replying or to what topic you're speaking] I ... don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 04:27:03PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: This mail is to ask for volunteers for the Decision Panel. [...] Please volunteer by replying to this mail if you're interested I volunteer. Thanks! - Chris. Martin pgp1cNimGX4MP.pgp Description: PGP signature

[Sugar-devel] What is Sugar LiveUSB (was: Re: [IAEP] SLOBs Position on SoaS)

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 02:54:30PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: There seems to be a lack of consensus of what SoaS actually is or what it's goals (use cases) should be. I'd like to say I see your point, but across the internet that's a dangerous thing to say in the face of the somewhat amusing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:17:42AM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: [non-release-naming issue] Please take this to the mailing list to which it belongs: sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org. Bill Bogstad Martin pgpnUhR2RRAF1.pgp Description: PGP signature

[Sugar-devel] SoaS /etc/fedora-release identification string (was: Re: [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming)

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 04:27:29PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: As long as no one (including developers) is confused that SoaS release 1( Strawberry) alias SoaS-2 The alias is for the developers to use. It is stored in a file called /etc/fedora-release. We need to be precise here: For the CD

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: As long as no one (including developers) is confused that SoaS release 1( Strawberry) alias SoaS-2 is running Sugar v0.84 and Fedora 11. I'm just wondering why SoaS-2 is in use... non-initiates will assume that means

Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:04:44PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com We have named this Spin Strawberry Tree as its done by Solution Grove based on the Strawberry Release. [...] Please email your feedback! Can we look at the code anywhere? Thank

Re: [Sugar-devel] Beta Test of Sugar on a Stick Backup Service.

2009-09-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 05:37:01PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 02:04:44PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: To test click Get Sugar at www.sugaronastick.com We have named this Spin

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:18:55PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Bill - I completely agree our numbering systems are byzantine and difficult to grasp... there is the Sugar version number, the Fedora version number, the OLPC-OS version number and the XO build number. The numbering is for

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-13 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 08:20:43PM -0400, Bill Bogstad wrote: I've been watching this thread since it began and understand that from a marketing perspective numbers are 'ugly'. Numbers are for the developers, ice cream flavours are for the press / GUI users, as I understand it. On the other

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

2009-09-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:00:09AM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 04:04, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:01:47AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:43:31PM -0300, Andrés Nacelle wrote: Hi guys, basically

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 05:30:30PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: re marketing course: in fact I have accepted Mel's invitation to do a classroom for Fedora. Congratulations. re logos: Strawberry=6, Blueberry=4, and 5 we'll use some other time Very clear - thanks. [Have we agreed on Blueberry as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 09:41:31AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: I'm sorry Martin, I thought I was answering You were but there's a lot of extra information that's sometimes hard to parse - ultimately someone needs to put an image file in a directory...so I was hoping that you would just say yes or no

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 04:24:55AM -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote: And there may also be better long term ways around it than what I would do. The F11-on-XO guys over at fedora-olpc-l...@redhat.com are having a serious go at changing the partition layout for XO-1.5 deployment images. We are

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:43:31PM -0300, Andrés Nacelle wrote: Hi guys, basically I'm trying to do a SoaS or a live CD with the image we are using now on the XO, which has our own selection of activities and packages. You want to take an XO-1's filesystem from its NAND and make it bootable on

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to make a SoaS (or liveCD) from scratch

2009-09-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 03:01:47AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 06:43:31PM -0300, Andrés Nacelle wrote: Hi guys, basically I'm trying to do a SoaS or a live CD with the image we are using now on the XO, which has our own selection of activities and packages. You

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 06:48:53AM -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote: Douglas McClendon wrote: Martin Langhoff wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Douglas McClendondmc.su...@filteredperception.org wrote: My name is Douglas McClendon, and I created the ZyX-LiveInstaller which appears

[Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
Hi, This is to solicit feedback on the naming and colouring of the Sugar on a Stick v2 release scheduled for 2009-11-24[1]: 1) Release name: Blueberry 2) Release logo colours: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Logo_white_04.png Please reply all with any feedback. If you want to get involved

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:10:40PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Hi Martin The idea is ice cream flavors Ok. I hadn't picked up on this, despite being in the meeting when it was mentioned[1]. I suspect others may not have, either. and Blueberry works since I had rollup banners and posters made

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:04:33PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Thank you, I love this naming concept with fruit names. I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). yet a couple snags I see, No blueberries (arandanos) I ever saw in South/Cental America... (very

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hello, was Re: Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 03:21:50PM -0500, David Farning wrote: Thanks for joining us Douglas. I would like to point out that there are two separate yet interlinked issues at hand: 1. Easy and fast install. 2. Running OS natively on removable solid state media. What do you mean by running

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 04:42:07PM -0400, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: I guess Sean's corrected you and I that it's ice-cream flavours :). If it's ice cream flavors, Vanilla and Chocolate are universal... I guess I was assuming that there needs to be a tie-in between the colour of the flavour and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try to find the thread. Please let me know. I did google for 'sugar ice cream soas' before I said I couldn't find anything besides the IRC meeting I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on a Stick v2 Release Naming

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 11:56:25PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 09, 2009 at 10:57:00PM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: In fact Martin if I remember correctly we had already discussed this on-list... I will try

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 04:09:56PM -0700, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: Sebastian: [...] ***Can you make a live CD like this which only installs Sugar-desktop?** This is what SoaS already is. Cordially Tom Gillard Martin pgpNebldeH0xk.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 04:17:52PM -0700, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: But [SoaS] is on a USB/SD installed from the install from the desktop to a real file system. Huh? Tom Gilliard Martin pgpfhTqxrmuna.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hack to get a USB/SD to autologin to only Sugar-desktop on a stick. from a F12-alpha live CD

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 04:43:49PM -0700, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: The ability to use a Custom Sugar live CD( If we can make one) for testing on a PC and then installing to USB (or HD) appears to be a new and different creature. Yup - and a good idea: it's easier for someone to run a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Accessing external media from within an activity (was: Re: Problem listing journal objects)

2009-08-26 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:43:54AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Gary C Marting...@garycmartin.com wrote: You really do need to upgrade ;-p I know! I've been waiting to figure out how to get the latest releases flashed onto my XOs. The last time I looked I

Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS on Dell mini inspiron 10

2009-08-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 04:48:53PM +0100, Russell Brown wrote: 2) Is there a way to set the trackpad sensitivity with SOAS? Not sure its possible from sugar but you might be able to run gnome-mouse-properties from the terminal and set the trackpad stuff there. Couldn't find

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?

2009-08-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 06:41:25PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 17:53, Joshua N Pritikinjpriti...@pobox.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:48:56AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: Sdz and others... We should put having a Stick work on both XOs and nonXOs on a roadmap,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?

2009-08-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:41:38PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 05:54:31PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: I think a more emphatic nobody's being paid to backport Sugar to XO-1 builds message might be necessary. But seriously, please expand on what you mean

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on a Stick on XOs for XO Lending Libraries?

2009-08-22 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 05:45:30PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: As a *completely* naive author of a Sugar activity, I'll attempt to rephrase a previous question (that received a very loud silence): What is the update path for the XO-1; is it Martin's SoaS for XO's? Or are there other efforts

Re: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo57

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:19:35PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: I downloaded soasxo57.tree.tar.lzma This image does not have /boot/vmlinuz or /vmlinuz. There is only /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.30.5-28.rc2.fc11.i586 Fixed in soasxo58. Two kernel packages are being installed by kickstart/anaconda:

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFH - Journal corruption reports fom 8.2.1 users in Uy

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 10:36:44AM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: 2009/8/21 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: 2009/8/21 Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com: 2009/8/21 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Yes, though if we manage to get the logs dir of a machine just after the DS was

Re: [Sugar-devel] Accelerators: make Journal 'F5'

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:17:25PM +0200, Sascha Silbe wrote: does SoaS [have the Search key mapped to the Journal]? F11-on-XO1 and SoaS-on-XO-1 have Journal mapped to the Search key correctly. CU Sascha Martin pgp9QVfPASnwV.pgp Description: PGP signature

[Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo58

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
A new SoaS-on-XO-1 build soasxo58 is available. NAND size / change in size: 640.38M / +11144K ext3 size / change in size: 1305.54M / +16496K Package changes: --- soasxo57.tree.packages.txt 2009-08-20 15:20:38.0 + +++ soasxo58.tree.packages.txt 2009-08-20 22:18:47.0 +

Re: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo57

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 08:51:12AM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: martin wrote: soasxo57.removable.img.tar.lzma - for: cat soasxo57.removable.tar.lzma | lzma -dc - | tar xf - -O - /dev/sdX the above command is incorrect. the last hyphen is extraneous. Oops - corrected. It was correctly

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SOAS and Terminal

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
is indeed the cause of the failure. Any contrary views? Any workarounds? Thanks-- --Kim On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:51:38AM -0400, Kim Toufectis wrote: Martin-- Thanks, I remembered I already

Re: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo57

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 05:06:50PM -0400, Paul Fox wrote: martin wrote: - Power management is disabled (XO is configured not to sleep since rtcwake never wakes up) the failure of suspend/release in this distro seems to be directly related to the absence of a getty on the serial

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] always start the serial console to work around rtcwake never waking up

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
--- etc/event.d/ttyS0 |1 + 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/event.d/ttyS0 b/etc/event.d/ttyS0 index 164d982..6b467e1 100644 --- a/etc/event.d/ttyS0 +++ b/etc/event.d/ttyS0 @@ -4,6 +4,7 @@ start on stopped rc2 start on stopped rc3 start on stopped rc4

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] always start the serial console to work around rtcwake never waking up

2009-08-21 Thread Martin Dengler
[that's a patch to olpc-utils] On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:57:45PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: --- etc/event.d/ttyS0 |1 + 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/event.d/ttyS0 b/etc/event.d/ttyS0 index 164d982..6b467e1 100644 --- a/etc/event.d/ttyS0 +++ b

Re: [Sugar-devel] Reminder Deployment Team meeting TODAY Wednesday August 19th - 14:00 UTC (in 40 min)

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:05:56AM +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: I updated the entry for the Austrian pilot [...] I hope that collecting that kind of information gives us a better overview of where and how Sugar is used, which is a first (small) step into learning more about ongoing

Re: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo57

2009-08-20 Thread Martin Dengler
Hi Gary, On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:47:23PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Martin, On 20 Aug 2009, at 17:57, Martin Dengler wrote: A new SoaS-on-XO-1 build soasxo57 is available. get the error: Boot device: \pci\nandfl...@c:\boot\vmlinuz Arguments: ro root=mtd0 rootfstype=jffs2

Re: [Sugar-devel] F11 for XO1 - Fonts

2009-08-19 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:01:20AM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: 2) What is the code for mandating a vertical scrollbar when the display overflows vertically? Is it simply: gtk.VScrollbar() ? This question/answer is not Sugar-specific. Google for pygtk foo when you want to know how to do

Re: [Sugar-devel] moving Shutdown above Control Panel

2009-08-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 06:27:03PM +0200, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Daniel Draked...@laptop.org wrote: Indeed, this menu is difficult for new users at lesat, who often have trouble moving the mouse cursor into the menu box itself (as it starts in the top left

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Physics] JSON persistence

2009-08-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 12:03:30AM -0500, Asaf Paris Mandoki wrote: The JSON support has been up in git for a couple of days. What's next? I guess we need to do lots of testing. I would like to help more with testing but I don't know how to install git inside SoaS. Just run: sudo yum -y

[Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo52

2009-08-13 Thread Martin Dengler
A new SoaS-on-XO-1 build soasxo52 is available. NAND size / change in size: 619.98M / -128K / ext3 size / change in size: 1287.57M / -144K / Package changes: --- soasxo51.tree.packages.txt 2009-08-11 02:08:06.0 + +++ soasxo52.tree.packages.txt 2009-08-13 08:37:30.0 +

Re: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo51

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:45:22AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:01:16AM +, Martin Dengler wrote: soasxo51.tree.tar.lzma - for hacking When I boot this build, it seems to go okay. The screen switches to white, but sugar never starts. I'd start by logging

Re: [Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo51

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 04:17:22PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:42:23AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:45:22AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 03:01:16AM +, Martin Dengler wrote: soasxo51.tree.tar.lzma

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] tool accelerator keys add objects to the world

2009-08-12 Thread Martin Dengler
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 02:43:15PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Hi Martin, On 12 Aug 2009, at 01:27, Martin Dengler wrote: Make it easy to add lots of objects to the world quickly by drawing one shape, then pressing the key of the shape tool a few times to add a few copies of that object

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:29AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: FYI, there is a substantial difference in performance with and without compmgr when asking Read Etexts to speak and highlight a text. compmgr slows things down a lot. Thanks for the report. I've disabled xcompmgr in

[Sugar-devel] New SoaS-on-XO-1 build done: soasxo51

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
A new SoaS-on-XO-1 build soasxo51 is available. NAND size (change): 0.61G (896K) ext3 size (change): 1.26G (1612K) Package changes: --- soasxo50.tree.packages.txt 2009-08-08 14:12:26.0 + +++ soasxo51.tree.packages.txt 2009-08-11 02:08:06.0 + @@ -102,7 +102,7 @@

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 04:03:15PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: I noticed two more bugs: Thanks for the reports. If anyone has time while testing (just in case; I know most of us don't), there is a Fedora bug tracking all the open OLPC-XO-related bugs that often has known issues:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Ad-hoc networks - New Icons

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 01:35:15PM +0100, Gary C Martin wrote: Tomeu: If has made it into one of the XO builds, I can run tests next week (3 XOs + 1 Mac). It's in my SoaS-on-XO-1 builds (and other SoaS builds, I believe). Regards, --Gary Martin pgpbBmIo3eeth.pgp Description: PGP

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 07:29:58PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: To turn soasxo51.tree.tar.lzma into an acceptable copy-nand image, I only need to do mkfs.jffs2 -n -e128KiB -r $ROOT -o $IMG.tmp sumtool -n -p -e 128KiB -i $IMG.tmp -o $IMG crcimg $IMG Correct? Yes, but may I suggest

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] replace Keep and Stop accelerators

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
This commit replaces the Keep and Stop accelerators from the Terminal's activity toolbar, since the default accelerators are quite heavily used keyboard shortcuts: Ctrl-s and Ctrl-q. These old defaults are replaced with shift-ed equivalents: Ctrl-Shift-s and Ctrl-Shift-q. This is consistent with

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] tool accelerator keys add objects to the world

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
Make it easy to add lots of objects to the world quickly by drawing one shape, then pressing the key of the shape tool a few times to add a few copies of that object to the tool. Erase objects by hovering and pressing E (the erase tool key). Reduces the need to click the mouse while moving it,

Re: [Sugar-devel] code review guidelines updated

2009-08-11 Thread Martin Dengler
Jim, On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 06:58:10PM -0500, Jim Simmons wrote: Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:27:24 +0200 From: Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org [the] rationale behind the code review process in the wiki [follows] I have already recommended to someone that wanted to modify one of my

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:16:21AM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:14:12PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: Adventurous people can copy-nand: http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.{img,crc} This is quite close to usable! * It mounts USB keys

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:06:05PM +0545, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: Apologies if this is a stupid question but what are the differences and advantages/disadvantages of a SoaS-on-XO-1 install versus the F11-on-XO-1 approach that some are taking? They have very similar goals; the main

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 02:44:12PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:10:17AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: And to disable permanently, remove/comment this line from /home/olpc/.xsession : It seems that jffs2 is a hard format to edit. mtdram refused to load

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:31:25PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 08:14:12PM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: http://people.sugarlabs.org/~mtd/soas-xo1/soasxo50.{img,crc} Alt-ESC does not stop the current activity. Although the new toolbar design will help, this is one

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 03:53:21PM +0530, Joshua N Pritikin wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:02:31AM +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: From that process I will get: soasxoXX.iso - iso9990 file system (for use with livecd-iso-to-disk) soasxoXX.img - for ... soasxoXX.crc - ... copy-nand'ing

Re: [Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:15:08AM -0500, Jim Simmons wrote: Joshua, Before you upgrade an Activity you need to remove the existing one from the Journal. I don't think this is correct. There is no way to overlay an old Activity with a new one. Activities can be upgraded, and two (and

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (was Re: [Bugs] #1042 UNSP: cannot install new activity version)

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:26:58PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/10 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: Hi, any opinions on this? I dislike the idea of having multiple versions installed at once. The argument I saw for this case was that different versions might have

Re: [Sugar-devel] multiple activity versions installed simultaneously (was Re: [Bugs] #1042 UNSP: cannot install new activity version)

2009-08-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:09:06PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/10 Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com: Learner-generated activity patches, perhaps?  Like, we're under a tree and here's my patched Terminal/Pippy/Speak that you may want to try but not commit to blowing-away your

[Sugar-devel] SoaS-for-XO-1 image (was Re: Who's interested in testing a new installer for SoaS?)

2009-08-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Aug 09, 2009 at 07:04:06PM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Martin Dengler has been building special builds of SoaS for the XO, which we should probably get out soon. Martin, what's the current state of that, can we put 'em up? :) Adventurous people can copy-nand: http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] SoaS with SD cards irregularities

2009-08-07 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 09:11:31PM +0930, Bill Kerr wrote: The sticks I have with SD cards have started to fail on the older computers at school (after working ok for 2 weeks of lessons). But they still work fine on my newer Dell mini inspiron. This is a very consistent pattern. I have 8

Re: [Sugar-devel] Additional data for corrupted SoaS

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:07:42PM -0400, Dave Bauer wrote: Some discussion on irc of possible solutions [to ext3 problems]: We should be using ext2, not ext3, in the future so that we don't have a journal to corrupt. But there's still a long way to go before we have a filesystem whose media

Re: [Sugar-devel] About the need for .xo bundles (again) (was Re: safer customization key (was Re: will the one true browse please stand up?))

2009-08-04 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:10:59PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: 2009/8/1 Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org: They haven't solved the problems we want to solve and are probably not even interested in trying. I'm a bit suprised you are not aware of this, there was a whole session dedicated to

[Sugar-devel] I've fallen, and I can't get up (was: Re: [Marketing] press release opportunity...)

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 09:43:50AM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: As I noted in the wiki page about this: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/TODO#Sticks_are_dieing_a_lot_-_Make_sticks_more_robust 2GB Sticks are $0.60 more then 1GB sticks. If it improves reliability its definitely

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] community influence on development

2009-07-30 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:17:56PM -0300, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 28.07.2009, at 07:22, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:24:13PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: However, I feel like it could be better if the community (who I might even stretch to call customers) could

Re: [Sugar-devel] community influence on development

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 03:24:13PM +0545, Daniel Drake wrote: However, I feel like it could be better if the community (who I might even stretch to call customers) could have more influence. [...] What are the options for the community having more of an influence here? Influence on whom?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity as regular objects proposal

2009-07-28 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 04:19:15PM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: Sugar on a Stick currently [has Fructose Activities installed] from packages This has changed now in SoaS and F11-on-XO, which both now just use .xos for Fructose and other non-Glucose activities. Martin pgphc53u8MLGc.pgp

Re: [Sugar-devel] Correct use of leading underscores in Python?

2009-07-20 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 10:59:05AM -0500, Jim Simmons wrote: I don't want to start a religious war here, but I could use some guidance. In writing my Activities I have often copied and pasted bits of code from other Activities. For instance, the toolbars from Read and Speak. As a result of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar on Fedora

2009-07-14 Thread Martin Dengler
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 05:24:22PM -0500, Philippe Clérié wrote: I hoped that there was a Fedora spin of sugar, but it appears that was folded into Soas. But Soas is not designed to be installed on a hard disk. What do you want on a Sugar Fedora spin besides what yum install sugar* gets you?

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-10 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01:19AM -0400, Eben Eliason wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: But are you meaning that we should name the current one Keep a copy and when we have versions add Keep? No, no. I'm urging that we name it Keep new version

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should do it before you close or switch away from your activity. That's not far from the truth, right? At least in any

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: On Thu, 2009-07-09 at 10:45 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 09:52:23AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: Nobody in the world seems to understand the Keep button. People think it's for regular saving and you should

Re: [Sugar-devel] Nobody understands Keep

2009-07-09 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 02:03:06PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 12:29, Martin Denglermar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 11:22:16AM +0100, Daniel Drake wrote: As far as I understand it, Keep is useful for these types of scenarios: - you've done a lot

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Marketing] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 10:31:56AM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Tomeu Vizosoto...@sugarlabs.org wrote: If people want to package and maintain those as .rpms, I don't see any problem with that. But if we don't have enough hands for that, the alternative I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Building strawberry from git

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 02:24:34PM -0500, Andrés Arrieta Perréard wrote: 2. pyabiword-0.6.3-1.fc11.i586 from fedora has depsolving problems Try adding the updates and updates-testing repos: http://git.sugarlabs.org/projects/soas/repos/devxo/blobs/xo-strawberry/soas-base.ks#line13 I just

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap

2009-07-06 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 09:03:24AM -0700, Edward Cherlin wrote: On Sat, Jul 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Sebastian Dziallassebast...@when.com wrote: Hi everybody, so here it is, the Sugar on a Stick v2 Roadmap: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Roadmap Feedback is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] The next Step: v2 Roadmap

2009-07-05 Thread Martin Dengler
On Sun, Jul 05, 2009 at 12:51:22AM +0200, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: Hi everybody, so here it is, the Sugar on a Stick v2 Roadmap: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick/Roadmap#Roadmap Feedback is appreciated, and as we've just entered brainstorming phase, please go ahead and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Cs-dev] Sugar on a Stick - and OLPCsound

2009-07-03 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 07:57:37PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: I've just noted that the /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages folder does not include csnd.py. Given that csnd.py was there before you erased olpcsound, and after you erased olpcsound it was gone, I suspected that olpcsound is what

Re: [Sugar-devel] Clock in the frame?

2009-06-26 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 06:39:17PM +0200, Bastien wrote: Hi all, a request that I've heard a few times: have a clock in Sugar, maybe somewhere in the frame. Possible? Have a look at: Newest:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:28:09PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: [Sugar on a Stick] should [...] describe the medium by which sugar is delivered (a usb stick) Nowhere is there any mention of something distro specific, nor should there be. I'm amused that a few meme-weeks ago we had a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] the SoaS term (was: Press release flurry planning...)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 08:26:53PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:45:45PM +0200, David Van Assche wrote: can we please try and use the term SoaS slighlty more agnostically. Right now, every time its mentioned it always uses the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 07:16:44PM -0400, Caroline Meeks wrote: I agree with much of what has been said. Sugar on a Stick should not be linked to any one distro. Laudable goal, but please don't underestimate how much work this is. I think Sebastian and David have an idea what's involved, but

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Fwd: [Marketing] Press release flurry planning (LinuxTag - FOSSED - NECC - GUADEC)

2009-06-18 Thread Martin Dengler
On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 01:50:00AM +0200, Sean DALY wrote: Martin - we worked out Flavors at the marketing meetings Ok. It'd be nice if there was a mail sometime stating that. I guess your one a few minutes ago was that mail. Sean Martin pgpKArskHMzKK.pgp Description: PGP signature

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