Re: [Sugar-devel] xephyr error on Fedora 16

2012-03-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 at 11:08:51 -0300, Manuel Kaufmann humi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, After compiling sugar with jhbuild in Fedora 16, I'm tryin to run the emulator but I'm getting this error: Failed to start server. Please check output above for any message A window appears and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, 14 Feb 2011 at 10:12:40 -0500, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: So what network affordances [1, 2] are we supposed to make discoverable? :) Martin, I don't want to hijack any threads this month

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 at 12:46:18 -0300, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.org wrote: Hi, Currently, the 'network' icon on the frame tells us whether we're connected to a network or not. Would it make sense for it to test for internet connectivity and maybe reflect that by displaying a small

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 at 19:41:32 -0500, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: The Sugar UI should make network health discoverable. Good point in general. (Thanks! :) To what is trying to get solved, I'd

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH Sugar] Extend sugar-launch with more options

2011-01-23 Thread Michael Stone
Gentlefolks, Here are some brief thoughts for you. Martin: Any good reason to not include it? :) @Martin: The gains sure seem to me to out-weigh the costs. Sascha: Yes, there is: It encourages activity authors to start other activities from within their own activities, exactly like you're

Re: [Sugar-devel] tracking CTRL and ALT keys in a sugar activity

2010-12-17 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Erik Blankinship er...@mediamods.com wrote: I would like to know when CTRL or ALT are being pressed in my

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 at 10:43:24 -0500, C. Scott wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: That reduces time commitment without diluting buck-stopping responsibility. A committee-of-three with people like Gary, Martin, and Walter on it will have adequate

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-23 Thread Michael Stone
Scott, Thanks for your thoughts! 3) I see a little bit of buck-passing going on, as a third-party observer. It seems like the real reason for a 3-person committee is that no one wants to actually step up and take on the responsibility of UX lead. Here's the chain of reasoning that leads me

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-20 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, 20 Nov 2010 at 09:32:53 +, Martin Dengler wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:06:56AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: P.S. - Later [...] we discovered a confusion about the mandate of the proposed committee; to wit: Is the main purpose of the committee to act as a UI Maintainer (e.g

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-11 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 at 09:16:41 +, Martin Dengler wrote: On Tue, Nov 09, 2010 at 12:27:18PM -0500, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 at 03:12:41 +, Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 07:49:19PM -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote: [UX design might be better] if we agreed

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar UI Dictator

2010-11-09 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 at 03:12:41 +, Martin Dengler wrote: On Mon, Nov 08, 2010 at 07:49:19PM -0500, Bernie Innocenti wrote: On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 10:02 +0100, Martin Dengler wrote: IMO a decent justification and a willingness to update the affected wiki pages - including the HIG - to a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Development Meetings

2010-10-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 16:51:00 + Aleksey Lim wrote: These are good questions. I personally think that having more formalized ML discussion (to take core team decisions) will be a huge plus (it is impossible to take any decision only during a meeting) and not only for people who prefer

Re: [Sugar-devel] Memory leak in Sugar -- how to dump Py data

2010-10-07 Thread Michael Stone
See http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/10386 for details. The sugar-session process in 10.1.2 grows slowly... There's some form of leak somewhere. Maybe we are triggerin a real python leak, maybe we have reference loops. How do we trace this? Tomeu wrote some instructions here:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Design] Resume/New pie menu menu mockup

2010-07-10 Thread Michael Stone
Gary C Martin wrote: Actually this whole pie concept is starting to feel like a conversation Michael Stone started with me off list a year ago :) I always scatter acorns as I walk so that, one day, we may rest beneath the shade of mighty oaks. Michael

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity packaging

2010-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
Aleksey wrote: On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 01:18:04AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Bernie wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 12:02 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: I think you are missing an important requirement: installation without elevated permissions. Rainbow has been bit-rotting

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH 1/3] Add models for detecting and parsing

2010-07-06 Thread Michael Stone
from jarabe.model.network import GSM_USERNAME_PATH, GSM_PASSWORD_PATH, \ GSM_NUMBER_PATH, GSM_APN_PATH, GSM_PIN_PATH, \ GSM_PUK_PATH +from cpsection.modemconfiguration.config import PROVIDERS_PATH, \ +

Re: [Sugar-devel] Activity packaging

2010-07-06 Thread Michael Stone
Bernie wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 12:02 -0400, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: I think you are missing an important requirement: installation without elevated permissions. XO and SoaS distributions are configured for sudo with no password. Yes. However, Uruguay does not maintain this

[Sugar-devel] Patches to mail list, or patches to trac?

2010-07-04 Thread Michael Stone
My personal suggestions follow: Patches to mail list, or patches to trac? Use the mailing list to get feedback. Use Trac to publish histories of work on a theme. Personally I read mail in a bunch of different places/devices and there's no way I can currently (and sanely) keep track of all

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0.90 Meeting --- 30. June 2010 (14:00 UTC)

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 11:43, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 29.06.2010, at 10:30, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hey, I would like to do a short developer meeting tomorrow Wednesday 30.06.2010 at 14:00

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Make initial DCON unfreeze conditional on the presence of a DCON.

2010-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
://wiki.laptop.org/go/DCON_Linux_Driver by testing for the existence of /sys/devices/platform/dcon. Cc: David Farning dfarn...@gmail.com Signed-off-by: Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org --- bin/sugar-session |3 ++- 1 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-) diff --git a/bin/sugar-session b/bin/sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RFC] Better disk format for journal entries

2010-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
On 27.06.2010, at 05:06, Michael Stone wrote: Folks, I've longed, for quite some time, for an encoding of Sugar's journal entries that is more amenable to manipulation with standard Linux tools and APIs. I've also longed for a format that is friendly to rainbow and which can encode both

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RFC] Better disk format for journal entries

2010-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
Excerpts from Michael Stone's message of Sun Jun 27 05:06:31 +0200 2010: I've longed, for quite some time, for an encoding of Sugar's journal entries that is more amenable to manipulation with standard Linux tools and APIs. I've also longed for a format that is friendly to rainbow and which

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Add ds2xos conversion script to export

2010-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
El Sat, 26-06-2010 a las 23:07 -0400, Michael Stone escribió: * whose name is URL-encoded with spaces encoded as pluses Why pluses? Because they're nicer than %20 and python provides urllib.quote_plus? Can't we simply leave spaces as spaces? Have you got a shell that doesn't require

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Add ds2xos conversion script to export

2010-06-27 Thread Michael Stone
Scott wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: El Sat, 26-06-2010 a las 23:07 -0400, Michael Stone escribi=C3=B3: * whose name is URL-encoded with spaces encoded as pluses Why pluses? Because they're nicer than %20 and python provides urllib.quote_plus

[Sugar-devel] [RFC] Better disk format for journal entries

2010-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, I've longed, for quite some time, for an encoding of Sugar's journal entries that is more amenable to manipulation with standard Linux tools and APIs. I've also longed for a format that is friendly to rainbow and which can encode both the data necessary for today's journal as well as the

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Add ds2xos conversion script to export journal entries as .xos session dirs.

2010-06-26 Thread Michael Stone
, and * we try to hard-link any files associated with the journal entry into our session dir with names derived from the title and mime-type of the stored file. Signed-off-by: Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org --- datastore/bin/ds2xos | 133

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Proposal release management

2010-06-24 Thread Michael Stone
Simon wrote: What do others think about this? I'm glad that you have a proposal that excites Bernie, Bert, and Tomeu. I'm not sure what to think for myself because I don't know whether I correctly understood your intent from my reading of your, Bernie's, and Tomeu's words. (See below.) Bernie

Re: [Sugar-devel] Dynamically set number of control panel columns

2010-06-24 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 10:27:46PM -, Anish Mangal wrote: From: anishmangal2002 anishmangal2...@gmail.com This patch sets the number of icon-columns in the control panel based on the screen resolution. This patch also sets the table row spacing to GRID_CELL_SIZE. Anish, I like the basic

Re: [Sugar-devel] datastore situation (was Re: Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.)

2010-06-22 Thread Michael Stone
Dear Tomeu and other Gentle Readers, Thanks for bringing this thread to my direct attention by CC'ing me. Since, I'm not exactly sure what feedback you'd like from me, I've tried to respond in a way that will lead to a fun and productive discussion on where do we want to go over the next

[Sugar-devel] A Tale of Sugar and Pippy

2010-06-22 Thread Michael Stone
Last Friday, I visited the MIT Science Fiction Society's library to pick up some books. While visiting, I spoke with a friend about our recently discovered mutual interest in Python in education. Upon hearing that he was unfamiliar with our work, I opened my XO, started Pippy, and left him to

[Sugar-devel] Defining sugar HEAD.

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Stone
Hi folks, We've done some good work in the past few weeks getting the Sugar patch generation and review processes unstuck. Interesting new patches are now being published and reviewed with some frequency, which is great. (Particular thanks are due to James, Bernie, and Tomeu for their work

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Wrong exception when copying an entry with no file to a removable device.

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Stone
be copied to ' 'removable devices') -- 1.6.3.3 Reviewed-by: Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org Looks good to me; merged into my personal tree. Michael ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Add NotifyRedAlert inherited from NotifyAlert

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 02:51:23AM +0530, anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anish, Thanks for the patches. Here are one small question and one comment for you... From: anishmangal2002 anishmangal2...@gmail.com Adds the NotifyRedAlert class which is an alert inherited from NotifyAlert. When

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Alerting users in case of write errors

2010-06-13 Thread Michael Stone
Gary wrote: On 13 Jun 2010, at 12:57, Anish Mangal anishmangal2...@gmail.com wrote: An alert like a chat or Activity sharing invitation would be nice, but one with a more visible signal is needed. We really really really ... need a general notification system. :D Please no popup error

[Sugar-devel] Revised hypothetical material for sugar-0.90

2010-06-12 Thread Michael Stone
First, thanks very much to everyone who commented on my previous thread about wild rumors for sugar-0.90. Your comments are very helpful to me because they inform my mental picture of what changes might be available within the next few months to be released. They are also valuable in their own

Re: [Sugar-devel] Journal Implementation

2010-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
Hello, my name is Bao Vuong. I am trying to implement a feature to the irc that lets a journal entry store the nickname and channels. I read that I need to define read_file and write_file methods. Are there any simple examples I can use? Or a tutorial of how to make one to work? Dear Pippy

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Devel Team vacancies + On sugar-0.90.

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Stone
On June 7, Simon Schampijer wrote: On 06/06/2010 10:30 PM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: SeanDaly if tomeu were here, he would say: we need someone experienced, who knows the open source way, and does not need lots of briefing to get up to speed (he will correct me if I err) You can count on me

[Sugar-devel] Hypothetical sugar-0.90 material, draft 1.

2010-06-07 Thread Michael Stone
Hi folks, Under the temporary working hypothesis that we want to make a Sugar release in a couple of months, I'd like to know more about what we might find ourselves integrating. Here's my current list of, er... mostly unvetted rumors. :) 1. Aleksey: 0install integration, Vala-based

[Sugar-devel] On sugar-0.90.

2010-06-05 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, At yesterday's oversight board meeting [1], there seems to have been some discussion of how to get the sugar-0.90 release process unstuck. To my surprise and great amusement, my name came up [2]. Unfortunately, there is still the unresolved matter of whether or not I can actually do

Re: [Sugar-devel] Adjusting/reworking patches with git (was: Re: Patch:

2010-05-31 Thread Michael Stone
Excerpts from James Cameron's message of Mon May 31 10:59:18 + 2010: 1. git checkout HASH where hash is the patch to be fixed, 2. git reset HEAD^ to undo this last commit without changing the working copy, then 3. git add and git commit again. Even easier to use is git rebase -i

Re: [Sugar-devel] #1686 UNSP: Accessibility - virtual keyboard

2010-05-26 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, Bert, James, Martin D., and Michael wrote: T: Thanks a lot for lending a hand here. My pleasure, and thanks for mentioning the ticket. M: Final remark: this patch names variables, methods, and classes in Spanish. Anyone troubled by this? (I ask because, while it's fine with me

Re: [Sugar-devel] #1686 UNSP: Accessibility - virtual keyboard

2010-05-26 Thread Michael Stone
First of all, thanks Esteban for the great work! I hope we can spin a new build soon and give it a try. Thanks, that would indeed be helpful. Meanwhile, something else that you might spin around in your head while you make the build is how do we make a virtual keyboard that works for all the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] touchpad section for Sugar Control Panel

2010-05-25 Thread Michael Stone
Sascha wrote: PS: Please give git send-email a try. It sends the patches in a way that makes them easier to review. I've never been comfortable with git send-email because it doesn't let me adequately review the email headers of the messages that are going to be sent before I hit send.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Avoid popping an empty list in the

2010-05-25 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 02:50:16PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: When you run Sugar with no activities installed, UpdateModel._bundles_to_check is empty. Attempting to unconditionally pop this list results in an IndexError. Instead, the updater should stop trying to update bundles when

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Avoid popping an empty list in the software updater.

2010-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
When you run Sugar with no activities installed, UpdateModel._bundles_to_check is empty. Attempting to unconditionally pop this list results in an IndexError. Instead, the updater should stop trying to update bundles when it determines that it has no more bundles to check. Signed-off-by: Michael

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] Simplify the definition of UpdateModel._bundles_to_check.

2010-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
The only purposes of the list comprehension in UpdateModel.check_updates() is to set self._bundles_to_check to a list containing the elements returned by bundleregistry.get_registry(). This purpose can be more succinctly achieved by means of the list() constructor. Signed-off-by: Michael Stone

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH v1 00/10] Journal sorting by file size and creation time.

2010-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 09:02:30AM -0300, Andrés Ambrois wrote: See [0] for the rationale behind this patchset. [0] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2010-May/023664.html v0: Initial submission to sugar-devel v1: Separated ctime and filesize patches. Implemented sorting for

Re: [Sugar-devel] #1686 UNSP: Accessibility - virtual keyboard

2010-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 03:10:52PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 23:48, Sugar Labs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #1686: Accessibility - virtual keyboard --+-    Reporter:  earias          

Re: [Sugar-devel] #1686 UNSP: Accessibility - virtual keyboard

2010-05-23 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 03:18:47PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 03:10:52PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 23:48, Sugar Labs Bugs bugtracker-nore...@sugarlabs.org wrote: #1686: Accessibility - virtual keyboard

Re: [Sugar-devel] Patchwork

2010-05-11 Thread Michael Stone
I like James' suggestion that people who are merging patches should insist on high-quality commit messages. Michael ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RFC PATCH v0 0/8] Journal sorting by file size and creation time.

2010-05-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:14:44AM +, Aleksey Lim wrote: On Sat, May 01, 2010 at 04:33:48PM -0300, Andrés Ambrois wrote: This patchset implements sorting in the Journal UI as described in [0]. This feature was requested in [1] and sponsored by Activity Central [2]. Sorting by filesize

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] bundlebuilder should not use locale name

2010-05-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:42:37 -0400, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: diff --git a/src/sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py b/src/sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py index a1f10b9..c83257f 100644 --- a/src/sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py +++ b/src/sugar/bundle/activitybundle.py @@ -69,6

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] #1725: Resize home window on screen size change

2010-05-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:09:02 +1000, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Looks good; checked it against pygtk docs. Not tested, can't resize on OLPC XO, so no impact expected. Reviewed-by: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Merged as

Re: [Sugar-devel] Experimental work... updated.

2010-04-29 Thread Michael Stone
in the Makefile. Does the attached patch fix the problem for you? Regards, Michael From b3d094c5d63383fd32a267aebb62b6f98abbca51 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 01:56:47 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] Update the gtk icon cache after all icons

Re: [Sugar-devel] Experimental work... updated.

2010-04-29 Thread Michael Stone
On 4/28/10, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote: On 28 April 2010 11:57, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: You couldn't find logs of the failure because olpc-dm is redirecting stdout and stderr to /dev/null. I don't think this is true. I wrote from memory and, as you say, the details

Re: [Sugar-devel] Experimental work... updated.

2010-04-28 Thread Michael Stone
-0400, Michael Stone wrote: I particularly like that I can test sugar*-0.88 directly on my XO by running something comparable to yum install git-core gcc glibc-devel make vim git clone git://dev.laptop.org/users/mstone/sugar; cd sugar make xo-builddeps env PREFIX=/usr ./configure

[Sugar-devel] Experimental work... updated.

2010-04-27 Thread Michael Stone
This is just a quick note to let interested parties know that I've updated my experimental repo at http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/mstone/sugar git://dev.laptop.org/users/mstone/sugar to sugar*-0.88. For those who are curious, this repo: * combines all six of the sugar, sugar-toolkit,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Experimental work... updated.

2010-04-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 11:44:39AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: This is just a quick note to let interested parties know that I've updated my experimental repo at http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/mstone/sugar git://dev.laptop.org/users/mstone/sugar Looks good. Even has my #897 fix

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 01:19:54AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: For what it's worth, I would prefer to see a patch which simply called sudo /sbin/shutdown -h now and sudo /sbin/shutdown -r now. I don't see the value that D-Bus and ConsoleKit are providing here. That patch was rejected some

[Sugar-devel] [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for shutdown/reboot

2010-04-21 Thread Michael Stone
Sascha wrote: HAL is dead, ConsoleKit now handles shutdown / reboot. I still prefer the /sbin/shutdown approach taken in sl#615 to the D-Bus based mechanisms that Tomeu prefers but I am concerned that this may be an area of irreconcilable difference between Tomeu and myself. Therefore, in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for

2010-04-20 Thread Michael Stone
Paul wrote: james wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 07:55:45PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi James/Sascha, Reviewed-by: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Did you test on XO-1 or XO-1.5? I'm curious how much of a backwards- compatibility break this is. No, I only did a code

Re: [Sugar-devel] [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for

2010-04-20 Thread Michael Stone
Paul wrote: michael wrote: Paul wrote: james wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 07:55:45PM -0400, Chris Ball wrote: Hi James/Sascha, Reviewed-by: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org Did you test on XO-1 or XO-1.5? I'm curious how much of a backwards- compatibility

Re: [Sugar-devel] Hi; GSoC?

2010-03-18 Thread Michael Stone
Isaac, Welcome, and thanks for setting such a good example for other potential GSoC participants. I wonder if this Zero/Sugar project could use some GSOC support, I agree with Ben that 0install-related Sugar work likely encompasses at least one good and worthy GSoC project. First, it's a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Seeking enlightenment...

2010-03-10 Thread Michael Stone
Dear Tomeu, Thanks for writing back so promptly. I wrote to you initially because you were the person who touched the ticket, but it seems that my remarks are probably better directed to Simon. Therefore: - Dear Simon, Right, we have a processes in place [1] [2] [3] and those

[Sugar-devel] Seeking enlightenment...

2010-03-09 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, In what way is Sugar or the Sugar community materially improved by deferring Wade's patches in #1447 to sugar-0.90? Michael [1]: http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1447#comment:16 ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [RELEASE] TurtleArt-83

2010-02-14 Thread Michael Stone
I have a new refactored version of Turtle Art (a fructose module) that has many new features for the Sucrose 0.87.4 unstable release. Still some debugging to do, but generally it seems to be in good shape. The tarball is available here:

[Sugar-devel] Rainbow in F-11 and F-12

2010-01-30 Thread Michael Stone
I'd like to import rainbow 0.8.6 in Fedora devel and backport it to F-11, for the purpose of getting it in the Paraguayan build, and maybe also in the F11-XO1 and SoaS, if there's interest. Thanks. Let me know what assistance you'd like. Anything important I should be aware of? My

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Mockups of Home view showing Start new

2010-01-16 Thread Michael Stone
Gary C Martin wrote: (edited) Some quick mockups of a Home view idea mentioned in previous discussions. Just intended as extra material for todays irc design meeting. 1) Ring of activity icons reverts to the Start new behaviour; Journal icon is always shown for easier access, with recent

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] 'Resume' vs 'Start a new' Activity

2010-01-08 Thread Michael Stone
Simon, Most of the kids click on the activity icon when they want to start a new activity. Would you care to try patches to show both start new and resume icons on the home view (and maybe in the journal too)? Yours, Michael ___ Sugar-devel

[Sugar-devel] ANN: rainbow-0.8.6 release.

2009-12-21 Thread Michael Stone
/mstone/security/tree/?id=rainbow-0.8.6 setup: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow/Installation_Instructions tests: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Rainbow/Testing The shortlog from rainbow-0.8.5..rainbow-0.8.6 is: Bernie Innocenti (1): Capture XAUTHORITY. Michael Stone (19): Remove

Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] [DESIGN] Frame Panels

2009-12-16 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu wrote: Yes, but what about security? Right now the shell process only executes code in /usr, executing activities in a separate process. Executing activities in separate processes provides no security benefit unless the resulting processes are in some way isolated from the rest of the

[Sugar-devel] ANN: rainbow-0.8.5 release.

2009-11-28 Thread Michael Stone
-0.8.4..rainbow-0.8.5 is: Michael Stone (10): Correct a logging statement. Make rainbow-sugarize set up /{data,instance,tmp}. Temporarily disable $XAUTHORITY processing in rainbow-sugarize. Drop config file management from rainbow-sugarize. Add a network option

Re: [Sugar-devel] some efforts that would be really useful for

2009-11-26 Thread Michael Stone
Gary, I'm curious, is there something flawed with the current process where deployments add translations to pootle via translate.sugarlabs.org so strings are pushed over to activities held in git.sugarlabs.org ready for re-release? There are many things flawed with this process. The most

[Sugar-devel] 0depend feature request

2009-11-24 Thread Michael Stone
Aleksey wrote: To have some implementation mockups for next 0install debates, I've coded how(I'm thinking) 0install integration could be implemented in sugar[1]. To check existed code, pull sugar and sugar-toolkit cloned repos[2] and follow simple test case[3]. [1]

Re: [Sugar-devel] 0depend feature request

2009-11-24 Thread Michael Stone
Aleksey wrote: yeah, in my testing environment I have remains from previous 0install sessions I've pushed new commits with fixed these issues and added cancel button Aleksey, Your test case passes on my system with these additional commits. Nice work, Michael

[Sugar-devel] DNS Mischief, cont'd: dnshash-0.3.0 released!

2009-11-23 Thread Michael Stone
Innocenti (2): Eat up extra space in nsswitch.conf on 'make disable'. Make redirection work in /bin/sh; fix lint. Michael Stone (8): Only return live addresses as results. Add newnetns subcommand to ease testing. Teach dnshash to answer AF_INET6 queries. Add

[Sugar-devel] Display a message when an activity fails to start

2009-10-26 Thread Michael Stone
Wade, Would love to get some testing on the latest patch! There was an occasional crash bug but it seems to be fixed now. I just tried out your current patches in ticket #1447 and I am very happy with them so far. They make it much more pleasant to test systems for missing dependencies by

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Zero-install-devel] Summary of the chat on #sugar-meeting

2009-10-18 Thread Michael Stone
Dear z-i folks and sugar folks, Three members of the 0install.net community [1] met with several members of the Sugar community [2] yesterday to exchange knowledge and, in the case of the Sugar folks, to learn more about z-i and whether it might be a good fit for use in Sugar activity

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-15 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, If you insist on thinking that I have something against you, then I will stop having this discussion with you. I insist only on the reasonableness of taking you literally at your word. Naturally, I'm quite certain that you have nothing against me that you don't also have against

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Michael Stone
A word of initial warning: please turn on your sense of the absurd before reading. This response is written with a deep sense of amusement, rather than angst. Tomeu wrote: I'm more concerned about developers proposing big user experience changes because they feel it's better. Yay, more

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Michael Stone
Simon wrote: On 10/13/2009 04:36 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote: I'm loving how the menus suddenly are now snappy and responsive. From: Michael Stone ... Subject: Make various palette animations happen more quickly. ... Can you describe what the patch will change from the user point

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 16:57, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: Tomeu wrote: I'm more concerned about developers proposing big user experience changes because they feel it's better. Yay, more roadblocks and stereotyping! :) You shouldn't take this personal, most

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Michael Stone
Daniel wrote: 2009/10/13 Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org: Hello, Michael just passed by the Acetarium and, since the dinner was late, we found the time to test and review his latest prototype^W patch. I'm loving how the menus suddenly are now snappy and responsive. I haven't

Re: [Sugar-devel] RFC: Kill the delayed menus for good

2009-10-14 Thread Michael Stone
Eben wrote: We should definitely get feedback. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to a change, but I do want to make sure that we make such a change for the right reasons, and that it's actually the right change to make. So try it, and encourage your friends to do the same! :) I don't feel

Re: [Sugar-devel] Assorted Debian+Sugar bugs

2009-10-13 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 07:52:11PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: Jonas co: I just wanted to report a couple of regressions that I found today while trying out sugar-0.84 on Sid. In no particular order: Thanks for reporting this. You're very welcome; thanks again for your hard work packaging

Re: [Sugar-devel] [ANNOUNCE] Sucrose 0.86 Branching - Activity

2009-10-01 Thread Michael Stone
Wade wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 5:20 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: *Activity versions* As we use integers for activity versions (this really has to change for 0.88 with introducing minor versions), we need to cope for the famous: stable/unstable version issue. I would say

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
Dear Sugar folks, I have avoided wading into this discussion for some time because I wanted to see where it went without my interference. Therefore, before I say anything else, thanks for the entertaining show. :) Next, here are some thoughts for you, based on my own work, uses of Sugar, and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-24 Thread Michael Stone
Ben wrote: Michael Stone wrote: Consequently, I want to make using activities more like web pages. That's why I work on rainbow and on networking design. ... In my opinion, ideally, they click a URL and the software they clicked runs most of the time. They don't care what version

[Sugar-devel] Friends view UI affordances?

2009-08-30 Thread Michael Stone
Folks, Before you know how Friends work, the Friends view it is completely barren except for the central XO-person and, as a result, is rather unusable. What are some ways that we could make the function of this screen more discoverable? So far, I've thought of a couple of things which might do

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
0install looks quite promising to me and http://www.osnews.com/story/16956/Decentralised_Installation_Systems is good reading about the general issues involved. Has anyone here experimented with it? Regards, Michael ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] Bundles with binary requirements (Was: The ARM is near)

2009-08-29 Thread Michael Stone
(Regarding 0install): It is interesting, but fails horribly badly in the case of no, or low bandwidth Internet. I'm not convinced, for three reasons. First, there is 0share http://0install.net/0share.html which seems to me to be remarkably similar to our long-stated goal of horizontal

Re: [Sugar-devel] erasing the journal and config

2009-08-27 Thread Michael Stone
Luke Faraone wrote: James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: I've tested this method only on unlocked laptops. For locked laptops some similar method might be used. For locked laptops you would *need* to get a developer key, or have OLPC sign the file. The latter won't happen. OFW's

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] A security vs. functionality question

2009-08-06 Thread Michael Stone
for me and letting me know what questions you are left with? Ben Schwartz wrote: Rainbow is not currently used much outside of the XO, but it should be, and it can be. Michael Stone, who developed it, no longer works for OLPC, but he has continued to update it. It can be packaged for any distro

[Sugar-devel] code review (was Re: buddy tags)

2009-08-04 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, I like your response but I'm surprised that you're confused about why your review process is getting bogged down, so I'll share my perspective in the hopes that you will find it helpful. In short, expecting the submitter to do all the work listed in your review process condemns many

[Sugar-devel] A Fine Tradition...

2009-07-28 Thread Michael Stone
Carrying on a fine tradition of July-based Sugar reflections [1, 2], I'm going to offer some mostly unsolicited advice. (Sorry, Tomeu, but you asked me to write. :^) Dear Sugar Labs, In the past year, you succeeded in removing two important barriers to entry for new developers: you have

[Sugar-devel] updating from aslo

2009-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
David, Could you please point me to an explanation of why it's hard to get ASLO to generate the microformat that is already understood by the tens of thousands of sugar-0.82 machines in Uruguay, the US, and elsewhere so that I can form a more solid opinion of your work? Thanks, Michael

Re: [Sugar-devel] DNS Mischief

2009-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Michael Stonemich...@laptop.org wrote: d) rewrite as an NSS module? e) rewrite in an external DNS resolver? Either of these would make it much easier to play with your patch, eliminating the whole now recompile your C library from scratch step. ;-) Pff. It

Re: [Sugar-devel] Questions about GConf and ORBit.

2009-07-07 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, I dug through the gconf, libbonobo, and orbit2 source code and discovered some interesting things. Most relevant for this discussion: * ORBit2, on Linux, defaults to sending messages over unix sockets in directories like /tmp/orbit-$USER* which it carefully creates with mode 0700. There

[Sugar-devel] DNS Mischief

2009-07-05 Thread Michael Stone
@@ +eglibc (2.9-13.1) unstable; urgency=low + + * Non-maintainer upload. + * debian/rules.d/build.mk: build libcrypt into libc + * debian/patches/any/hack-up-getaddrinfo.diff: install getaddrinfo hack. + + -- Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org Sat, 04 Jul 2009 19:06:59 -0400 + eglibc (2.9-13

Re: [Sugar-devel] Questions about GConf and ORBit.

2009-07-03 Thread Michael Stone
Tomeu, Thanks for the prompt reply. Do you know anything about such an assumption? No, but I don't see that in the logs. True. What I see is one process trying and failing to access GConf. Agreed. Do you have any advice on how I might extract a better error message from it? (Or on

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