Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-18 Thread Sascha Silbe
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 04:04:15PM -0400, Martin Langhoff wrote: 1 - If Sugar sees no known network, and no populated ad hoc network, can we automate the picking of an adhoc network after a brief timeout (giving enough time to listen to beacons)? Default to ad hoc 1? 2 - If Sugar sees no known

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-11 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/07/2010 10:04 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: Thanks Isaac, for the detailed explanation :) ... Great to see this coming to closure. One question I have; with these patches... 1 - If Sugar sees no known

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-07 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/07/2010 05:08 AM, Isaac Dupree wrote: On 05/06/10 18:01, Paul Fox wrote: heh. i was really kind of rooting for impromptu, myself. it sounds like a lot more fun than ad hoc. Come on over! We're having an ad hoc party!, just doesn't have the same ring to it. :-) ahem. i think ad hoc

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:07 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: Thanks Isaac, for the detailed explanation :) ... Great to see this coming to closure. One question I have; with these patches... 1 - If Sugar sees no known network, and no populated ad hoc network, can we automate

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/04/2010 05:11 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: since I am good at playing with SVGs by now I made a quick sketch. The 'dotted' version and the no bg version is attached. Code wise both is simple to do. Great! they

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-06 Thread Paul Fox
simon wrote: Did we settle on the naming of the network. I was in favor of 'local network' as that mimics well the range of the network for me. James meant that this could be confused with 'localhost', if I remember correctly. 'Our network' was another option. Any good argument, or

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-06 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/06/2010 02:34 PM, Paul Fox wrote: simon wrote: Did we settle on the naming of the network. I was in favor of 'local network' as that mimics well the range of the network for me. James meant that this could be confused with 'localhost', if I remember correctly. 'Our

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-06 Thread Paul Fox
simon wrote: On 05/06/2010 02:34 PM, Paul Fox wrote: simon wrote: Did we settle on the naming of the network. I was in favor of 'local network' as that mimics well the range of the network for me. James meant that this could be confused with 'localhost', if I remember

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-06 Thread Isaac Dupree
On 05/06/10 18:01, Paul Fox wrote: heh. i was really kind of rooting for impromptu, myself. it sounds like a lot more fun than ad hoc. Come on over! We're having an ad hoc party!, just doesn't have the same ring to it. :-) ahem. i think ad hoc is really two words, and shouldn't be

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-04 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/03/2010 10:32 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: The color, hmmm. As color is something important in the sugar user alternative ideas: - single-vs-double-line for the circle's border - continuous vs dotted line

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-04 Thread Paul Fox
simon wrote: On 05/03/2010 10:32 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: The color, hmmm. As color is something important in the sugar user alternative ideas: - single-vs-double-line for the circle's border

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: can the last item be kept current?  for example, what happens if this laptop joins an existing net, then later becomes the leader, then later becomes the only member? All through that scenario, the laptop is connected to that

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-04 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/04/2010 03:09 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Paul Foxp...@laptop.org wrote: can the last item be kept current? for example, what happens if this laptop joins an existing net, then later becomes the leader, then later becomes the only member? All through

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: since I am good at playing with SVGs by now I made a quick sketch. The 'dotted' version and the no bg version is attached. Code wise both is simple to do. Great! they look good to me. Wouldn't know which one to choose

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-04 Thread Frederick Grose
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 05/04/2010 03:09 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: ... since I am good at playing with SVGs by now I made a quick sketch. The 'dotted' version and the no bg version is attached. Perhaps fewer breaks and round caps on

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-04 Thread Frederick Grose
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:01 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 05/04/2010 03:09 PM, Martin Langhoff wrote: ... since I am good at playing with SVGs by now I made a quick sketch. The 'dotted' version

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 04/27/2010 08:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: Hi, olpc has decided to present ad-hoc networks like they did with mesh networks: three icons in the neighborhood view representing ad-hoc networks with the channels 1, 6, 11. This should preserve the workflow previously introduced and ease the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread Frederick Grose
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 04/27/2010 08:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: ... What is missing is a badge to indicate if the network is active (someone has created the adhoc network already). Any good ideas how that badge could look like?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread Paul Fox
frederick wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.dewrote: On 04/27/2010 08:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: ... What is missing is a badge to indicate if the network is active (someone has created the adhoc network already). Any good

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Frederick Grose fgr...@gmail.com wrote: Shouldn't ad-hoc network icons be gray if empty/inactive +1, with the following qualifier: there's a small risk that it may get confusing with our convention of gray-is-not-a-search-result and colored by the creator's

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread Frederick Grose
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: frederick wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: On 04/27/2010 08:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: ... What is missing is a badge to indicate if the network is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/03/2010 09:18 PM, Frederick Grose wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Paul Foxp...@laptop.org wrote: frederick wrote: On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Simon Schampijersi...@schampijer.de wrote: On 04/27/2010 08:54 AM, Simon Schampijer wrote: ...

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Simon Schampijer si...@schampijer.de wrote: The color, hmmm. As color is something important in the sugar user alternative ideas: - single-vs-double-line for the circle's border - continuous vs dotted line for the circle's border - make the bg colour of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-05-03 Thread James Cameron
On Mon, May 03, 2010 at 01:18:12PM -0400, Frederick Grose wrote: If the creator's beacon stops, then subsequent beaconer's colors might be adopted (if you want to extract that information)[1]. The current beaconer identity is not available from the network stack ... and there's a chance that it

[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Default ad-hoc networks

2010-04-27 Thread Simon Schampijer
Hi, olpc has decided to present ad-hoc networks like they did with mesh networks: three icons in the neighborhood view representing ad-hoc networks with the channels 1, 6, 11. This should preserve the workflow previously introduced and ease the use of ad-hoc networks. More details for the