Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-15 Thread Sascha Silbe
Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Tue Feb 15 03:57:22 +0100 2011: [School server icon in Neighbourhood] +1 I've wanted to see this for a long time as well, [...] Care to do a series of mock-ups? Some random points that we'd need to think about are: * when should we show the icon? ** when

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-15 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Gary Martin garycmar...@googlemail.com wrote: Couldn't we use the presence service (or its equivalent)? I've always wanted to see a schoolserver icon in the mesh view... from which the user could (re-)register, initiate a backup/restore, open a browser on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-14 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 15:57 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: - add a similar feature that pings 'schoolserver' and indicates we have an XS within reach Couldn't we use the presence service (or its equivalent)? I've always wanted to see a schoolserver icon in the mesh view... from which the user

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-14 Thread Gary Martin
On 14 Feb 2011, at 14:55, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Sun, 2011-02-13 at 15:57 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote: - add a similar feature that pings 'schoolserver' and indicates we have an XS within reach Couldn't we use the presence service (or its equivalent)? I've always

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-13 Thread David Farning
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Michael Stone mich...@laptop.org wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 at 12:46:18 -0300, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.org wrote: Hi, Currently, the 'network' icon on the frame tells us whether we're connected to a network or not. Would it make sense for it to

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-10 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 12:46 -0300, Anish Mangal wrote: Hi, Currently, the 'network' icon on the frame tells us whether we're connected to a network or not. Would it make sense for it to test for internet connectivity and maybe reflect that by displaying a small globe overlaid on the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-10 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
I'm pretty certain that the latest versions of Windows attempt to do determine if they have Internet or just local access, contacting a Microsoft server to see if they can reach it. However I would not recommend doing this unless you have the resources of Microsoft, or the permission to use the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 12:46 -0300, Anish Mangal wrote: Hi, Currently, the 'network' icon on the frame tells us whether we're connected to a network or not. Would it make sense for it to test for internet connectivity

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-10 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
I believe (but am not 100% certain) that I read somewhere that the Microsoft approach uses HTTP. This likely is because if you are using an HTTP proxy, you may not have external DNS resolution or pinging ability. As far routers go, I don't know how many of them try to be smart and indicate

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Dextrose] [DESIGN] Reflect internet connectivity in the 'Network' frame icon

2011-02-10 Thread Bernie Innocenti
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 19:40 -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: What I'd like to avoid with this feature is falsely claiming Sugar is offline, and having some activity (Get Books, etc.), refuse to function because it thinks (incorrectly) it cannot do anything. We can warn if we want, but we