Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Simon Schampijer
On 05/05/2010 02:45 AM, Mel Chua wrote: > Regarding inclusion of the Get (Internet Archive) Books Activity - > while the goals of including this Activity are admirable, it simply > isn't going to happen for v.3.0 due to the timing of deadlines beyond > our control. Let's take a look at why, and see

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Mel Chua
Regarding inclusion of the Get (Internet Archive) Books Activity - while the goals of including this Activity are admirable, it simply isn't going to happen for v.3.0 due to the timing of deadlines beyond our control. Let's take a look at why, and see what we can learn from this in terms of process

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
I also hear sounds in Etoys Version 115 running soas-i386-20100501.07.iso as a booted 2 GB USB with acer aspire one 324h " I heard the coyote howl" Tom Gilliard satellit Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 26.04.2010, at 15:37, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Bert Freuden

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 26.04.2010, at 15:37, Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Bert Freudenberg > wrote: >> On 27.04.2010, at 00:17, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Bert Freudenberg >>> wrote: * There is no sound in Etoys. Pulseaudio is ru

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > On the contrary, the wide press coverage we had last June was because > we baptized SoaS-2 as "v1" (reread the BBC article for example). v2 > had less coverage, which was to be expected; so the objective there > was to underline Sugar's e-book rea

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Sean DALY
On the contrary, the wide press coverage we had last June was because we baptized SoaS-2 as "v1" (reread the BBC article for example). v2 had less coverage, which was to be expected; so the objective there was to underline Sugar's e-book readers. Mirabelle has neither of James Simmons' Get Books or

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Sean DALY wrote: > No, the version numbers in the press releases were changes I proposed > fom the existing numbering. So SoaS-1 became the beta-1, SoaS-2 became > the v1. The objective was to make the numbers instantly > understandable, and allow us to build omentu

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Sean DALY
Oh yes Tom I saw that - fabulous! thanks Sean On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > > > Sean DALY wrote: > > No, the version numbers in the press releases were changes I proposed > fom the existing numbering. So SoaS-1 became the beta-1, SoaS-2 became > the v1. The objecti

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-05-04 Thread Sean DALY
No, the version numbers in the press releases were changes I proposed fom the existing numbering. So SoaS-1 became the beta-1, SoaS-2 became the v1. The objective was to make the numbers instantly understandable, and allow us to build omentum wth each release. Unfortunately, we can't do that with

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-27 Thread Peter Robinson
Sean, I would much rather we work together as well! Firstly your point "(SoaS-1 was beta-1, SoaS-2 was v1, etc.)" is a completely different point of view than your previous official press releases from SugarLabs [1] and [2]. I believe one of the major points of marketing is about consistency. To

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-27 Thread Sean DALY
I'd much rather we work together. Making Sugar and its Activities robust is a challenge and doing so on Sugar on a Stick even more. We have a resources problem that needs to be solved; part of the solution is to make Sugar better known, to developers, to teachers, and to the industry (OEMs...). It'

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-27 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: ==Preliminary soas-i386-20100426 testing== 2GB USB: ./livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1200 /home/

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-27 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > > > Peter Robinson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Thomas C Gilliard > wrote: > > > ==Preliminary soas-i386-20100426 testing== > > 2GB USB: > ./livecd-iso-to-disk  --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1200 > /home//Des

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-27 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Peter Robinson wrote: On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: ==Preliminary soas-i386-20100426 testing== 2GB USB: ./livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1200 /home//Desktop/soas-i386-20100426.16.iso /dev/sdg Boot in ACER Aspire One no Plymouth

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-27 Thread Peter Robinson
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > ==Preliminary soas-i386-20100426 testing== > > 2GB USB: > ./livecd-iso-to-disk  --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1200 > /home//Desktop/soas-i386-20100426.16.iso /dev/sdg > > Boot in ACER Aspire One > no Plymouth startup screen:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-27 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
==Preliminary soas-i386-20100426 testing== 2GB USB: ./livecd-iso-to-disk --format --reset-mbr --overlay-size-mb 1200 /home//Desktop/soas-i386-20100426.16.iso /dev/sdg Boot in ACER Aspire One no Plymouth startup screen: bar>f12 hangs at end of progress bar ===- f13 Reboot edit boot scre

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:26 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 27.04.2010, at 00:17, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Bert Freudenberg >> wrote: >>> >>> * There is no sound in Etoys. >>> Pulseaudio is running but padsp is not installed (which Etoys uses to fall >>>

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
soas-i386-20100421.18.iso as USB: booted on acer aspire one sugar terminal: r...@localhost liveuser]# setenforce 0 [r...@localhost liveuser]# python /usr/bin/sugar-presence-service Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sugar-presence-service", line 24, in main.main() File "/usr/

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
One more important suggestion for a non activity for the release: liveusb-creator gedit on the Mirabelle.iso would also allow making persistent USB's without having to first make a persistent USB and then yum installing them onto it. (the source.iso can be on a 1st USB and target on 2nd.) It wor

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Sebastian Dziallas
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > Yes it has jabber.sugarlabs.org in Control Panel / Network It looks very much like this, which seems to be pretty much a blocker, yup: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=585413 > Tom Gilliard > satellit > > Peter Robinson wrot

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Yes it has jabber.sugarlabs.org in Control Panel / Network Tom Gilliard satellit Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: Peter; I know it is not an activity, but it affects all of them: Will the presence service get fixed in time for the release?

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Thomas C Gilliard wrote: > Peter; > > I know it is not an activity, but it affects all of them: > > Will the presence service get fixed in time for the  release? > > All I am able to see is xmpp local on any of the f13 Composes of Soas > log application has no

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Thomas C Gilliard
Peter; I know it is not an activity, but it affects all of them: Will the presence service get fixed in time for the release? All I am able to see is xmpp local on any of the f13 Composes of Soas log application has no entries No Jabber server access for collaboration. (Or are we waiti

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi Sean, I'm so pleased that you think that all the hard work that Sebastian, myself and all the other Sugar developers that have put into the Sugar 0.88 release and associated SoaS release is so 0.5. and a whole lot less than previous releases. I think your choice is demeaning to the hard work th

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

2010-04-26 Thread Sean DALY
As stated previously, it's a mistake for this release to be numbered v3. I won't be able to do anything with it. Sean On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi All, > > So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3 > will be as below unless someone giv