Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-06-09 Thread Amir Ansari
> Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? > > Are you referring to a "tube" strictly between two laptops (e.g. one > student runs Measure and another runs a charting tool) or also in > the case of two activities running concurrently on the same machine? Why not follow the way it was

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-26 Thread Walter Bender
both -walter On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Garrison Benson wrote: > > > Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? > > > Are you referring to a "tube" strictly between two laptops (e.g. one student > runs Measure and another runs a charting tool) or also in the case of two > activit

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-26 Thread Garrison Benson
Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? Are you referring to a "tube" strictly between two laptops (e.g. one student runs Measure and another runs a charting tool) or also in the case of two activities running concurrently on the same machine? -- View this message in context: htt

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Walter Bender wrote: > I thought Fred was getting at a much simpler idea. For example, > Measure, when it is collaborating, is sending a simple data stream to > each member of the collaboration. Why couldn't a chart program join in > and instead of ren

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Wade Brainerd
To simplify, I think MIME types are the best way to communicate between activities. Spreadsheet data can be text/csv, image data can be image/png, plain text can be text/plain etc. That's currently what's supported by the clipboard anyway. All activities have to do is implement a little more adv

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Frederick Grose
Just thinking at the conceptual level. How about filtering irrelevant method calls and signals? How about a RESTful interface ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representational_State_Transfer)? I don't know. Just thinking... Thanks for contributing! --Fred On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Benjam

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
I thought Fred was getting at a much simpler idea. For example, Measure, when it is collaborating, is sending a simple data stream to each member of the collaboration. Why couldn't a chart program join in and instead of rendering the datastream as a waveform, it would render it as a piechart. Of co

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 For the moment, I assume you are speaking of our current network collaboration technologies. Walter Bender wrote: > Interesting idea. I don't see why this couldn't work; I am not sure of > the security implications, but I don't see why collaboration a

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
Interesting idea. I don't see why this couldn't work; I am not sure of the security implications, but I don't see why collaboration always has to be between two identical activities. -walter 2009/3/25 Frederick Grose : > Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? > >    --Fred > > On Wed,

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Frederick Grose
Why no collaboration-like tube between activities? --Fred On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Eben Eliason wrote: > Seconding Walter...more inline. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > > This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about > for > > aw

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Eben Eliason
Seconding Walter...more inline. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Wade Brainerd wrote: > This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about for > awhile. > > What's the "recommended" way to transfer data between activities? > > Say, I record some data in Measure and want to im

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread NoiseEHC
Wade Brainerd wrote: > This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about > for awhile. > What's the "recommended" way to transfer data between activities? > Say, I record some data in Measure and want to import it into Chart. > Or I generate some data in Finance and want to

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
The clipboard and the Journal are two recommended mechanisms. I would think that in the case of the Chart activity, the Journal would generally be more appropriate: you gather/generate some data in one activity, save to Journal, and then open the data file in Chart to explore various visualizations

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Wade Brainerd
This whole thing brings to mind something that I've been curious about for awhile. What's the "recommended" way to transfer data between activities? Say, I record some data in Measure and want to import it into Chart. Or I generate some data in Finance and want to import it into Chart. Is the C

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-25 Thread Walter Bender
The Measure activity is another approach to consider: data collection from multiple sources are shared and displayed in the same visualization space. -walter On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Eben Eliason wrote: > 2009/3/23 Jameson Quinn : >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benso

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-23 Thread Eben Eliason
2009/3/23 Jameson Quinn : > > > On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benson > wrote: >> >> >> Jameson Quinn wrote: >> > >> > Implementing a whole spreadsheet is a big enough chore. We do really >> > care >> > about collaboration, but I would advise you to limit your ambitions to >> > somethin

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-23 Thread Jameson Quinn
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Garrison Benson wrote: > > > Jameson Quinn wrote: > > > > Implementing a whole spreadsheet is a big enough chore. We do really care > > about collaboration, but I would advise you to limit your ambitions to > > something achievable, so worrying too much about colla

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-23 Thread Garrison Benson
Jameson Quinn wrote: > > Implementing a whole spreadsheet is a big enough chore. We do really care > about collaboration, but I would advise you to limit your ambitions to > something achievable, so worrying too much about collaboration right now > is > not vital. > I don't plan to create a sp

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-23 Thread Jameson Quinn
Implementing a whole spreadsheet is a big enough chore. We do really care about collaboration, but I would advise you to limit your ambitions to something achievable, so worrying too much about collaboration right now is not vital. Your job right now is to look under the hood and ask questions abo

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-23 Thread Garrison Benson
Would someone be interested in mentoring me in this project? Also, a thought about collaboration: I think it would be quite useful to allow a group of students to share data and edit it collaboratively in real time. Students working on an experiment in class could each be assigned to collect a po

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-22 Thread David Farning
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 1:20 PM, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Garrison Benson wrote: >> A traditional spreadsheet kind of interface would work (something like MS >> Excel or OO.o Calc) but I think a more basic, application-specific interface >>

Re: [Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-22 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Garrison Benson wrote: > A traditional spreadsheet kind of interface would work (something like MS > Excel or OO.o Calc) but I think a more basic, application-specific interface > may be more accessible. > > Anyway, who's got comments or suggestions?

[Sugar-devel] GSoC idea: Chart/graph-making activity

2009-03-22 Thread Garrison Benson
My name is Garrison Benson and I'm an undergraduate computer science student at Hope College in Holland, Michigan, USA. I'm interested in participating in Google Summer of Code and I'd like some feedback on my idea... I want to make a Sugar activity that will allow students to create charts and g