Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-29 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Walter A quick survey of the 450 xos in my snapshot (including the installed set) shows 69 using sugar3 and 381 using sugar. I'll try to prepare a list of the unconverted (infidel) for possible use as GCI tasks. Tony ___ Sugar-devel mailing l

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-27 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Walter Because of gmail issue, I am sending this through Sugar-devel. Most of the activities included in 0.106 (XO-1.5+) release have been moved to GTK3. The exceptions are: Calculate, Clock, Implode, Labyrinth, Measure, Moon, Pippy, Record, Speak, and TurtleBlocks. I suspect that many

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-27 Thread James Cameron
Very interesting discussion. Perhaps the difficulties that Tony describes can be interpreted as emergent properties of the development process. However, others on private mailing lists, who are not so well informed, perceived these emergent properties as intended outcomes. These others are gener

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Walter Bender
Tony, if you have a list of activities that need porting to GTK3, please let me know: it makes for nice GCI projects. That is how, in fact much of the updating happened over the past few years. -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 21:11:09) > I guess you see how far out from the developer community I am. I > associate sucrose with Activity Central. I am not sure what a sucrose > developer is. You need not know the details of how the parts of a code eco-system is divided in order to help:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Jonas I guess you see how far out from the developer community I am. I associate sucrose with Activity Central. I am not sure what a sucrose developer is. The involved developers have been doing well. However, for many of the activities in ASLO, the original contributors have moved on, a n

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 19:53:47) [Jonas wrote:] >> True - either that or ditch the activities evidently too badly >> maintained to work well with modern Sugar. > > Aye, There's the rub! > > Is the problem 'bad maintenance or none at all' or 'modern' Sugar. > Certainly TuxMath is suffe

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Jonas True - either that or ditch the activities evidently too badly maintained to work well with modern Sugar. Aye, There's the rub! Is the problem 'bad maintenance or none at all' or 'modern' Sugar. Certainly TuxMath is suffering from 'abandonment'. However, even abandoned code continue

Re: [Sugar-devel] Current status of GTK+ 3.x migration

2015-12-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Tony Anderson (2015-12-26 16:29:09) > Yet more examples of this broken software problem. I would call it examples of _unmaintained_ software. I.e. in my opinion for these examples the Sugar environment does the right thing of both a) moving to GTK+ 3.x while b) providing legacy support