Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers?

2013-11-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, NoiseEHC wrote: Sugar Labs has found itself in a position where there is a high degree of conformity. This tends to create an echo chamber where similar opinions are respected and encouraged. That can be effective at building passion and energy, but it tends to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers? [ Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21]

2013-11-06 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 6 November 2013 07:15, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: El 06/11/13 00:40, Yioryos Asprobounitis escribió: Looking at the archives of this list you can find several cases (some recent) of non-conforming contributors that are not contributing anymore, supporting the high

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers? [ Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21]

2013-11-06 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 06/11/13 10:00, Daniel Narvaez escribió: On 6 November 2013 07:15, Sebastian Silva sebast...@fuentelibre.org mailto:sebast...@fuentelibre.org wrote: I too feel the overall attitude within this list has been dismissive of non-conforming ideas and individuals, sometimes bluntly.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers? [ Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21]

2013-11-05 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
The big idea is that open sources projects thrive when they create  conditions and cultures where people with overlapping yet  non-identical goals can come together collaborate around a common  goal. Sugar Labs has found itself in a position where there is a high degree of conformity. This

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers? [ Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 21]

2013-11-05 Thread Sebastian Silva
El 06/11/13 00:40, Yioryos Asprobounitis escribió: Looking at the archives of this list you can find several cases (some recent) of non-conforming contributors that are not contributing anymore, supporting the high conformity hypothesis. I too feel the overall attitude within this list has

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers?

2013-11-04 Thread David Farning
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:59 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:28:35AM -0500, David Farning wrote: Have we achieved general consensus that the three phase approach I proposed earlier this week has the potential for establishing a mutually beneficial

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers?

2013-11-04 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
I think you realized but failed to emphasize an important point: There is not a single community rallying around Sugar at this time. Instead, I see at least two if not more. Each has its own expectations and social norms, yet claims to speak for (and sometimes control) the Sugar world as a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers?

2013-11-04 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
The big idea is that open sources projects thrive when they create conditions and cultures where people with overlapping yet non-identical goals can come together collaborate around a common goal. Sugar Labs has found itself in a position where there is a high degree of conformity. This

[Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers?

2013-10-30 Thread David Farning
Have we achieved general consensus that the three phase approach I proposed earlier this week has the potential for establishing a mutually beneficial relationship while progressively rebuilding trust on both sides? I will be happy to answer any questions, but I would like to get to work. Talk is

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers?

2013-10-30 Thread Daniel Narvaez
I think Phase 1. We certainly need more hands. Phase 2. We have been trying to do a bit of that with the features discussion. We are going to bootstrap 0.102 very soon and there will be a chance to improve on what we did for 0.100. I won't personally have time to write down a specification but I

Re: [Sugar-devel] Have we achieved consensus among activite Sugar developers?

2013-10-30 Thread James Cameron
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:28:35AM -0500, David Farning wrote: Have we achieved general consensus that the three phase approach I proposed earlier this week has the potential for establishing a mutually beneficial relationship while progressively rebuilding trust on both sides? I got lost in