Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support (Tony Anderson) (Frederick Grose)

2015-08-12 Thread Tim Moody
t; Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 16:58:09 -0400 > From: Frederick Grose > To: "sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org" > > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support (Tony Anderson) > Message-ID: >mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&qu

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread James Cameron
I agree. Tony, please make sure you test the changes that have already been done for 0.108. On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 04:19:37PM -0300, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > I think Tony is describing a problem on the language selector on 0.106, > already > fixed on 0.108. > If you add a new language, by defaul

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support (Tony Anderson)

2015-08-12 Thread Frederick Grose
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:11 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote: > How you get the list of languages and the translated names? > On Aug 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Moody" wrote: > >> I did a language picker for xsce and the approach I took was to put each >> language in its native form, so Deutsch not German a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I think Tony is describing a problem on the language selector on 0.106, already fixed on 0.108. If you add a new language, by default add English -USA, if the user don't change that default and restart, the second language is not added. Try the same on sugar-build and should work On Aug 12, 2015 12

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support (Tony Anderson)

2015-08-12 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
How you get the list of languages and the translated names? On Aug 12, 2015 1:40 PM, "Tim Moody" wrote: > I did a language picker for xsce and the approach I took was to put each > language in its native form, so Deutsch not German and हिन्दी not Hindi. > So in Arabic English would still be Engli

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support (Tony Anderson)

2015-08-12 Thread Tim Moody
I did a language picker for xsce and the approach I took was to put each language in its native form, so Deutsch not German and हिन्दी not Hindi. So in Arabic English would still be English. The only quandary is sort order. I chose unicode, which means all the non-Roman scripts come at the en

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Walter I agree. I meant that the way the language panel is set up now looks like that this was the intent of the + and - buttons. I think the real problem with that screen is the first line that starts with 'add' coupled with the + button which suggests that you should click on + to add a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:55 AM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Hi, Walter > > When I saw the language panel, I thought it was trying to work like the Mate > keyboard panel. You start with a default. You > add options. Then you use the panel to select an option. Such an approach > would make it easy to 'g

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Walter When I saw the language panel, I thought it was trying to work like the Mate keyboard panel. You start with a default. You add options. Then you use the panel to select an option. Such an approach would make it easy to 'get out of' a wrong selection. Tony On 08/12/2015 03:34 PM,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Tony Anderson wrote: > Hi, Sam > > In Rwanda, the students found the language panel (after all, they are > supposed to try everything) and switched their system to Arabic, probably > because it looked interesting and was at the top of the list. However, > finding a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Sam In Rwanda, the students found the language panel (after all, they are supposed to try everything) and switched their system to Arabic, probably because it looked interesting and was at the top of the list. However, finding a teacher able to switch back to English was a bit trickier.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Sam P. wrote: > Hey Tony, > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM Tony Anderson wrote: >> >> Hi, Sam >> >> My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we explain it to >> users. Remember our target audience is teachers and students in primary >> school in th

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Sam P.
Hey Tony, On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM Tony Anderson wrote: > Hi, Sam > > My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we explain it to > users. Remember our target audience is teachers and students in primary > school in the > developing world with little or no prior computer experi

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Sam My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we explain it to users. Remember our target audience is teachers and students in primary school in the developing world with little or no prior computer experience. As developers, we often see things as simple because we have used m

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Sam P.
Hi Tony, The control panel is very simple. The left column is the language and the right column is the region/dialect. Maybe that should be a column header? Also, there is no conflicting "+" and "add" buttons. The dropdown for the language selectors in a up or down arrow, while the add a new l

Re: [Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, To continue the story. The way it works, you click on the button to the left of the language (English) to get a list. You click on the language to get a dialect (or region?). You click on the dialect to select it. You then click on the + button to get it 'really' selected. You then click on

[Sugar-devel] Language Support

2015-08-12 Thread Tony Anderson
I was surprised and embarrassed yesterday trying to show how easy it is to switch languages. I was using a 13.2.5 image. In previous versions, you go to settings and language and get a long list of supported languages. In 13.2.5, you get a statement: 'Add languages in the order you prefer'. S