Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-09 Thread J.M. Maurer
On Tue, 2009-11-03 at 15:19 +0100, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > > Other activities that support some form of collaboration like Chat, Browse, > > Etoys, TurtleArt, Arithmetic, Maze, Pippy, etc, etc, don't care who started > > the activity first, o

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-09 Thread David Van Assche
One area I'm a little unsure about is the network connectivity (ie, how sugar presence interfaces with sugar presence service backend. Presumably it just uses NM and launched telepathy's RequiredConnection dbus pythong binding. What's interesting, reading over the developer's manual is that there a

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-08 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 17:40, David Van Assche wrote: > Hi, >    So I was looking over the code with some of the #telepathy guys who are > also under the impression that sugar.presence code could be causing many of > the collab problems. Main issue is redundancy of code... a lot of what is > happe

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-07 Thread David Van Assche
Hi, So I was looking over the code with some of the #telepathy guys who are also under the impression that sugar.presence code could be causing many of the collab problems. Main issue is redundancy of code... a lot of what is happening in sugar.presence already happens in telepathy (actually the

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-04 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche wrote: >> moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly >> antiquated sugar presence now ... > If you play with a major component replacement > > - test it for scalability & stability over wifi before doing

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-04 Thread David Van Assche
Don't get me wrong though, I agree thoroughly that we should really test it and make sure it plays as advertised But I think its gonna be easier to do that than test/scale/stabalise what we currently have. David On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, David Van Assche wrote: > Well, at least on Gno

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-04 Thread David Van Assche
Well, at least on Gnome, Mission Control not only works well, but its far more stable and does what its supposed to. Its been very heavily tested by Nokia (Maemo), Collabra, Google, openmoko and other heavy hitters. I don't really agree that we have something that works with sugar presence. In the

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-04 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly > antiquated sugar presence now In planning future work in rpesence and collab stuff, I have a small, humble suggestion. Figuring out if a presence service / collab infra works

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread David Van Assche
Hey, I mentioned this to Walter on IRC the other day, but I'd very much like to participate in anything telepathy based, especially, maybe moving to mission control 5 and letting go of the admittedly antiquated sugar presence now, I do need some guidance though, as I am by no means a python gur

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 15:07, Benjamin M. Schwartz wrote: > Martin Langhoff wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: >>> Other activities that support some form of collaboration like Chat, Browse, >>> Etoys, TurtleArt, Arithmetic, Maze, Pippy, etc, etc, don't care who starte

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: >> Other activities that support some form of collaboration like Chat, Browse, >> Etoys, TurtleArt, Arithmetic, Maze, Pippy, etc, etc, don't care who started >> the activity first, or who goes away. > > Are you positive

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Gary C Martin wrote: > Other activities that support some form of collaboration like Chat, Browse, > Etoys, TurtleArt, Arithmetic, Maze, Pippy, etc, etc, don't care who started > the activity first, or who goes away. Are you positive about this? I don't meant to tr

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Gary C Martin
Hi Martin, On 3 Nov 2009, at 13:18, Martin Langhoff wrote: > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Walter Bender > wrote: >> We can set a new baseline for Sugar, but the behavior you are >> describing is largely one determined by the activities themselves. > > I understood it was a limitation in Tel

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Walter Bender wrote: > We can set a new baseline for Sugar, but the behavior you are > describing is largely one determined by the activities themselves. I understood it was a limitation in Telepathy itself, or in how Sugar uses it (hence the need to address it in

Re: [Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Walter Bender
We can set a new baseline for Sugar, but the behavior you are describing is largely one determined by the activities themselves. This was the subject of Ben Schwartz's GSoC project. He made great headway, but there remains the problem that most activities are not utilizing his approach. Something e

[Sugar-devel] On Sugar 0.84 - status of the "Chat/collab leader" issue...

2009-11-03 Thread Martin Langhoff
We have had major issues for a while with any collaboration where the leader (the node that created the collaboration instance) goes away. In Sugar 0.82 all sorts of confusion ensues, with the exact symptoms varying between the programs used. Is this expected to be fixed in 0.84 or 0.86? In lookin