Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-03 Thread James Cameron
On Sat, Nov 02, 2013 at 06:46:05PM -0500, David Farning wrote: On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:59 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: p.s. it is good that you are being transparent with your decisions, because that gives you a chance to have them publically reviewed. ;-) On Fri, Nov 01,

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-02 Thread David Farning
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 3:59 PM, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: p.s. it is good that you are being transparent with your decisions, because that gives you a chance to have them publically reviewed. ;-) On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 12:04:11PM -0500, David Farning wrote: Thanks for the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-01 Thread David Farning
Thanks for the update. Currently, AC does not have the credibility to participate in the design process. Let's give it 2-3 months for AC's RD team learning how to work effectively with the HTML5+JS team at SL. In the first couple of weeks, I expect that this will mostly involve creating web

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-01 Thread James Cameron
p.s. it is good that you are being transparent with your decisions, because that gives you a chance to have them publically reviewed. ;-) On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 12:04:11PM -0500, David Farning wrote: Thanks for the update. Currently, AC does not have the credibility to participate in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-01 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 1 November 2013 21:59, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Use this phase of the process as an opportunity for you and your people to practice communicating with other developers in the community; and measure the effort in the design process, not the achievements. +1 In the first

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-01 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 1 November 2013 22:09, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 November 2013 21:59, James Cameron qu...@laptop.org wrote: Use this phase of the process as an opportunity for you and your people to practice communicating with other developers in the community; and measure the effort

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-01 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Nov 01, 2013 at 10:12:52PM +0100, Daniel Narvaez wrote: I think we are still very early in the life of the web activities framework. I can't think of a single API that we could consider set in stones. Thanks, correction accepted. I was speculating. -- James Cameron

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-01 Thread Flavio Danesse
Excuse me butting in this talk , but as they are addressing the issue of design, I think it's a good time to reiterate some proposals I have made several times. I think Sugar would do very well a change in appearance and in some cases functionality. I say it should be graphically attractive to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-11-01 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
Flavio, Would be good have concrete proposals about what you think can be improved, to be discussed point by point. About a easier implementation of collaboration, we discussed a proposal, and I think Agustin started a implementation. Gonzalo On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:33 PM, Flavio Danesse

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Here's OLPC's mission, as a reminder: Mission Statement: To create educational opportunities for the world's poorest children by providing each child with a rugged, low-cost, low-power, connected laptop with content and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread James Cameron
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:10:40AM -0700, Sameer Verma wrote: [...] We are seeing continued adoption of the XO in Rwanda (I hear Rwanda is 1.75, but not 4) and Australia. [...] I can confirm that Rwanda is using XO-1.75, not XO-4. You can find this information, albeit without quantities, in

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations

2013-10-31 Thread Tony Anderson
Hi, Sameer I've tried to sit on my hands in this discussion. I agree with your assessment completely. I had the opportunity to talk with Ruben Rodriguez at the sprint. He has Sugar running (under Ubuntu) on a Nexus 7 and on a standard PC. I have one of each to test this. The Nexus 7 together

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 29 October 2013 20:29, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote: Phase two -- Let's look at lessons learned from other projects. We can focus on the road map and product specification. From my experience, these two piece can provide an anchor for the rest of the project: 1. The act

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 31 October 2013 19:31, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Here's OLPC's mission, as a reminder: Mission Statement: To create educational opportunities for the world's poorest children by providing each

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread Walter Bender
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 October 2013 19:31, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: Here's OLPC's mission, as a reminder: Mission Statement: To create

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 1 November 2013 03:22, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 October 2013 19:31, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread John Watlington
On Oct 31, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Sameer Verma wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:04 AM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I just wanted to bump this line of questions as, it is the critical set of questions which will determine the future viability of Sugar. If anyone as more

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-31 Thread Laura Vargas
Indeed, deployments (both administrators and users) have much to contribute to Sugar and the XO's community. The challenge here was how to get and manage such tremendous amount of feedback? Back in November of 2011, we (the Peruvian Local Lab) made an open call to the community addressing this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread James Cameron
On 29/10/2013, at 11:14 AM, David Farning wrote: As two Data points: In a private conversation with an Association employee they told me that they conciser Activity Central a competitor because Activity Central increased deployments expectations. Their strategy with regard to Activity Central

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Sounds great to me! On Tuesday, 29 October 2013, David Farning wrote: I would like to thank everyone who has provided valuable feedback by participating on this thread. The three things I am going to takeway from the the thread are: 1. Jame's point about my position about not representing

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
David, I agree with James. I never heard something like that, is a big accusation, and really do not help to move things forward. As I was in the Sugar team of OLPC Association for the last 3 years, I am absolutely sure we didn't have any direction about that, and every decision was based on code

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I would like to thank everyone who has provided valuable feedback by participating on this thread. Ahem. You are casting fugly accusations, you can't stand back and thank everyone for their valuable feedback.

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I would like to thank everyone who has provided valuable feedback by participating on this thread. The three things I am going to takeway from the the thread are: 1. Jame's point about my position about not

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread Manuel QuiƱones
2013/10/29 Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I would like to thank everyone who has provided valuable feedback by participating on this thread. The three things I am going to takeway from the the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I would like to thank everyone who has provided valuable feedback by participating on this thread. The three things I am going to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
About phase two: What is wrong with our actual Feature process? About topics you are not talking, I would like AC spend some time trying to push features upstream. That was almost not done in the last year, and I am working on that right now, but would be good some help from your part. Gonzalo

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-29 Thread David Farning
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: About phase two: What is wrong with our actual Feature process? There is nothing wrong with the feature process. The project specification ( please see

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 23 October 2013 19:51, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I don't understand what you are asking. Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I just wanted to bump this line of questions as, it is the critical I don't speak on behalf of the Association, but I think your

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread David Farning
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I just wanted to bump this line of questions

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM, David Farning

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread James Cameron
David wrote: The degree of openness and transparency is our fundamental disagreement. Best case is that the status quo works, Sugar Labs thrives, and I am proven wrong. Worst case is that Sugar adopts to the changing environment. I haven't been able to parse this in a way that gives me

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread David Farning
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Walter Bender

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:14 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:01 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Martin Langhoff

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 8:14 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: In a private conversation with an Association employee they told me that they conciser Activity Central a competitor because Activity Central increased deployments expectations. Their strategy with regard to

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On 29 October 2013 01:14, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote: As two Data points: In a private conversation with an Association employee they told me that they conciser Activity Central a competitor because Activity Central increased deployments expectations. Their strategy with

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-28 Thread David Farning
I would like to thank everyone who has provided valuable feedback by participating on this thread. The three things I am going to takeway from the the thread are: 1. Jame's point about my position about not representing the median. Due to my history and role in the ecosystem, I have upset some

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-23 Thread David Farning
I just wanted to bump this line of questions as, it is the critical set of questions which will determine the future viability of Sugar. If anyone as more informed, please correct me if I am sharing incorrect information: 1. The Association has dropped future development of XO laptops and Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-23 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I just wanted to bump this line of questions as, it is the critical set of questions which will determine the future viability of Sugar. If anyone as more informed, please correct me if I am sharing incorrect

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-23 Thread David Farning
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 12:04 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: I just wanted to bump this line of questions as, it is the critical set of questions which will determine the future viability of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-23 Thread Walter Bender
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 1:48 PM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I don't understand what you are asking. Sugar Labs has always had a policy of working in the open. The degree of openness

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-20 Thread David Farning
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Gonzalo Odiard gonz...@laptop.org wrote: I agree with your analysis about slow deployment updates versus fast community cycles. In my view, there are two alternatives: * We can slow down a little the Sugar cycle, may be doing one release by year, but I am

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-19 Thread David Farning
For phase one this openness in communication, I would like to open the discussion to strategies for working together. My interest is how to deal with the notion of overlapping yet non-identical goals. As a case study, let's look at deployment and developer preferences for stability and

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-19 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
I agree with your analysis about slow deployment updates versus fast community cycles. In my view, there are two alternatives: * We can slow down a little the Sugar cycle, may be doing one release by year, but I am not sure if will help. The changes will take more time to go to the users? If a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-18 Thread Gonzalo Odiard
David, Certainly is good know plans, and started a interesting discussion. In eduJam and in Montevideo, I was talking with the new AC hackers, and tried to convince them to work on sugar 0.100 instead of sugar 0.98. Have a lot of sense try to work in the same code if possible, and will be good for

[Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-17 Thread David Farning
Over the past couple of weeks there has been an interesting thread which started from AC's attempt to clarify our priorities for the next couple of months. One of the most interesting aspects has been the interplay between private/political vs. public/vision discussions. There seem to be several

Re: [Sugar-devel] Private vs Public conversations.

2013-10-17 Thread Manusheel Gupta
and I apologize for that. Unity in diversity is a necessity for the success of global projects addressing communities and civil society. It is always great to see all the members of an eco-system working towards a common goal. Regards, Manu On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:26 PM, David