Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]

2013-11-08 Thread Yioryos Asprobounitis
The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a couple of approaches * Get Sugar running

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Narvaez
I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :) Though you are right that the Cubox-i might send the wrong message. I was seeing it more like a

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]

2013-11-08 Thread satellit
On 11/08/2013 03:28 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote: I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :) Though you are right that the Cubox-i might send

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]

2013-11-08 Thread Iain Brown Douglas
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 12:28 +0100, Daniel Narvaez wrote: I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :) Though you are right that the

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Narvaez
I knew it's possible to run Sugar in VirtualBox. I didn't know we was producing vmdk images, I remember Peter was opposed to that. With those images, is the installation one-click (reasonably close to it) assuming you have virtualbox already installed? The wiki page is terribly complicated... On

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Do we really need a single installer? I mean I see it would be ideal but it feels like it might be tricky licensing, implementation and maintenance wise. From what I understand from Thomas, after installing VirtualBox, it's just downloading and clicking on an icon (I should really try it but I'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-08 Thread Sean DALY
Of course it doesn't stop us from marketing, but it adds two extra hurdles for teachers to deal with (the GPL VirtualBox installer + the PUEL extension pack necessary for passthrough USB support). So techies won't care, but I guarantee a percentage of teachers will. It's a well-documented axiom of

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]

2013-11-08 Thread Sameer Verma
cc'ing Marketing as well. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]

2013-11-08 Thread Sameer Verma
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote: cc'ing Marketing as well. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Of course I agree with you that less barriers the better but I think we need to pick our battles. With current state of the downloads page I'd expect the conversion rate to near the 0%. It takes a *lot* of extra clicks to achieve the same. I propose that we * Rewrite the downloads page offering

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign) [Sugar-devel Digest, Vol 61, Issue 55]

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Getting Sugar to run on a Nexus 7 is relatively simple, making it usable enough would likely be a lot of work but it should be possible. But, as far as I know, we have no idea of how get around the rooting, making it a viable solution for deployments. Until we figure that out IMO it doesn't make

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-08 Thread Sean DALY
Daniel - you mean the main download page [1], right? Not the VirtualBox page [2]? These and other wiki pages are indeed long and complex. We could break those out into a dozen subpages to keep each one manageable. This problem was meant to be solved by the new website template designed to replace

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-08 Thread David Farning
An observation, from the outside, about marketing discussions. Several times over the last couple of days a number of marketing related posts have started, I think we should Another, possibly more productive approach, might be to engage Sean, the marketing expert, in a discussion about why he

Re: [Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Narvaez
Not sure what you are referring to. Personally I feel like Sean has already justified his positions in a convincing way. I'm simply trying to come up with a set of concrete development goals which are realistically achievable. There has been an years long disconnect between marketing and

[Sugar-devel] Sugar tryout (was Re: sugarlabs.org redesign)

2013-11-07 Thread Daniel Narvaez
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean DALY wrote: The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists. I can think of a