Flavio,
Ok, is not a patch, is a entire repository.
Sadly, for me is impossible get from there what are the changes needed to
make TamTam work
in every hardware, or what changes are useful upstream.
Is bad, because you worked a lot, and that is the only I wanted to say.
Is nothing personal, jus
David,
I can't understand you.
You talk a lot about how much you want participate, but then start
attacking me.
And now, you say: " Hmmm. Flavio and others have been trying to send
patches for years.
They have been ignored so they fork."
Look at the history of TamTam uploads:
http://activities.
The trouble with tone is that it involves subjective detection, and is
prone to bias and error during the process.
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On 19 November 2013 02:52, David Farning wrote:
> > Seriously, stop thinking you are being treaten unfairly. You are not.
>
> This is about open source best practices. The goal is to highlight the
> difference a maintainer's attitude has on the tone of a discussion.
>
Try to go beyhond the tone a
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote:
> David,
>
> if you want to make a fair comparison, you need to take in account what was
> submitted!
Hmmm. Flavio and others have been trying to send patches for years.
They have been ignored so they fork. At which point upstream complains
a
Hi Flavio,
On 19 November 2013 00:02, Flavio Danesse wrote:
> Sorry to put me back, but to bring a little clarity on TamTam:
>
> Do not say that the patch is huge because I never send a patch for this
> just to avoid giving this discussion which does not yield as well.
>
> If you look at my first
Sorry to put me back, but to bring a little clarity on TamTam:
Do not say that the patch is huge because I never send a patch for this
just to avoid giving this discussion which does not yield as well.
If you look at my first mail on the subject I told him what I had done and
posted where it was
David,
if you want to make a fair comparison, you need to take in account what was
submitted!
Try to submit six copies of the same codebase (instead of a patch) to any
other free software project on heart. I bet our reaction will compare
*very* favourably in friendliness.
Seriously, stop thinkin
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:07 PM, David Farning
wrote:
> Did anyone else notice a difference in how this Activity and Pippy were
> handled?
>
> With pippy the maintainers quickly responded with "Cool someone else
> wants to add value to the project. Here are my notes. Good luck."
>
> With TamTam t
Did anyone else notice a difference in how this Activity and Pippy were handled?
With pippy the maintainers quickly responded with "Cool someone else
wants to add value to the project. Here are my notes. Good luck."
With TamTam the maintainer responded with "My way or the highway."
On Mon, Nov
Also note that we don't necessarily need to fix the code ourselves, good
profiling data is often acted on by lower level libraries maintainers.
The default strategy is to pretend it's higher level code fault of course,
but issues can't be denied or ignored when proven by numbers and test cases
:P
And we can tackle lower level stuff... It's free and open code too! :)
On Monday, 18 November 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
> There are some ow level stuff, but we can solve some problems in the
> activities too.
> You can see the other thread I started about performance.
> Also, dsd solved some of
There are some ow level stuff, but we can solve some problems in the
activities too.
You can see the other thread I started about performance.
Also, dsd solved some of the problems related with the dynamic bindings.
Gonzalo
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Sebastian Silva
wrote:
> El 17/11/13
Obviously it would not be ideal solution to be listed as "author" when
all I did was merge
.po files. But then again, "author" field in ASLO is not accurate at
all, most of the time.
You can find my bundles at:
http://people.sugarlabs.org/icarito/activities/
Regards,
Sebastian
El 18/11/13 07:
El 17/11/13 12:58, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:
I hope we can solve the performance problems then you don't need use a
old Sugar version,
to avoid all these problems.
Well, I don't think it's likely you or me will be able to fix this one.
It's lower level than Python
and it looks to be by design
Ok.
Can tell me what versions are you using right now of these activities?
Jukebox
Paint
Read
Write
Gonzalo
On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:46 AM, Sebastian Silva
wrote:
> El 18/11/13 06:02, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:
>
> Sebastian,
>> You are a editor in ASLO, can you upload the xo bundles if we co
El 18/11/13 06:02, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:
Sebastian,
You are a editor in ASLO, can you upload the xo bundles if we
coordinate the version numbers?
Gonzalo
Gonzalo,
Editors in ASLO only get to "approve". It won't let us upload new bundles.
Sebastian
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> > From: sebast...@fuentelibre.org
> > To: dwnarv...@gmail.com
> > CC: fdane...@activitycentral.com; gonz...@laptop.org;
> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] TamTamMini
>
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> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 06:56:25 -0500
> From: sebast...@fuentelibre.org
> To: dwnarv...@gmail.com
> CC: fdane...@activitycentral.com; gonz...@laptop.org;
> cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com; sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] TamTamMini
>
> El 17/11/
El 17/11/13 14:27, Daniel Narvaez escribió:
I don't know how ASLO works... Is it possible to have multiple
"maintainers" for each activity?
Actually yes it's possible, but they are all labeled "authors".
One of these authors would have to add me.
Looking over again, it was actually only 8 ac
Sebastian,
You are a editor in ASLO, can you upload the xo bundles if we coordinate
the version numbers?
Gonzalo
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Sebastian Silva
wrote:
> El 17/11/13 13:20, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:
>
> Sebastian said he don't want make changes in the activities,
>> only want a
On 17 November 2013 20:02, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> El 17/11/13 13:12, Daniel Narvaez escribió:
>
>
> I spent the last month trying to get "mantainers" to respond to requests
>> to update
>> GTK2 branches with translations, with barely any response except Manuq
>> and Gonzalo,
>> and only the fi
El 17/11/13 13:20, Gonzalo Odiard escribió:
Sebastian said he don't want make changes in the activities,
only want add translation files, and package them in a xo file.
Actually I was very specific in stating what I needed was to have
updated .xo bundles in ASLO.
Sebastian
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El 17/11/13 13:12, Daniel Narvaez escribió:
I spent the last month trying to get "mantainers" to respond to
requests to update
GTK2 branches with translations, with barely any response except
Manuq and Gonzalo,
and only the first actually took action on my request.
I think
On 17 November 2013 19:20, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>
> Like I see it, is not a fork.
> Sebastian said he don't want make changes in the activities,
> only want add translation files, and package them in a xo file.
>
If someone needs to package gtk2 activities, how they will know they should
be usi
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Daniel Narvaez wrote:
> On 17 November 2013 18:58, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Sebastian Silva <
>> sebast...@fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>>
>>> El 17/11/13 12:38, Sebastian Silva escribió:
>>>
>>> I spent the last month trying to
On 17 November 2013 18:58, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Sebastian Silva <
> sebast...@fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>
>> El 17/11/13 12:38, Sebastian Silva escribió:
>>
>> I spent the last month trying to get "mantainers" to respond to requests
>> to update
>> GTK2 branch
On 17 November 2013 18:38, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> In Flavio's defense, I'd like to restructure this conversation.
>
> Undoubtedly, he's put great effort in this work.
>
I suspect it's a great contribution, which is exactly why I'm mad it's not
going upstream...
> In my humble opinion, the sit
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Sebastian Silva
wrote:
> El 17/11/13 12:38, Sebastian Silva escribió:
>
> I spent the last month trying to get "mantainers" to respond to requests
> to update
> GTK2 branches with translations, with barely any response except Manuq and
> Gonzalo,
>
> and only the
Sebastian,
I think you are not understanding the problem.
Of course, anybody can fork and upload another activity, but that is
nightmare
on the long run, to maintainers and to users.
Imagine how good for users will be have different versions of the
activities,
some running, some not, depending of
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Sebastian Silva
wrote:
> In Flavio's defense, I'd like to restructure this conversation.
>
> Undoubtedly, he's put great effort in this work.
And there are mechanisms for incorporating that work for the benefit of all.
> From a deployment's point of view, it's a
El 17/11/13 12:38, Sebastian Silva escribió:
I spent the last month trying to get "mantainers" to respond to
requests to update
GTK2 branches with translations, with barely any response except Manuq
and Gonzalo,
and only the first actually took action on my request.
BTW, in our latest public
In Flavio's defense, I'd like to restructure this conversation.
Undoubtedly, he's put great effort in this work.
From a deployment's point of view, it's a contribution.
From Gonzalo's POV, it's a burden because Flavio hasn't taken up
learning to master Git.
From Localizer's POV it's a burden b
On 17 November 2013 18:12, Chris Leonard wrote:
> We need more open discussion, and less forking to move together as a
> community.
>
I try to avoid +1, but I can't resist here :)
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On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Flavio Danesse
wrote:
> On the issue of separating the application from the rest of the suite, I did
> because it was the only way to understand it, correct the code and port it
> to gtk3. The code of the suite is filled with errors and unused files. Now,
> this a
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 8:50 PM, Flavio Danesse <
fdane...@activitycentral.com> wrote:
> I am aware of the problem, why not send any patch .
> But it seemed important to inform the work I did in case the application
> mantiners somehow wanted to use it as this is the version that is used on
> all
So, you and Activity Central are not even trying to work with upstream
here. Can I ask WHY?
We had a lot of theoretical discussions on how to work together recently.
Well, it's all pretty useless if these are the concrete behaviors.
On 17 November 2013 00:50, Flavio Danesse wrote:
> I am aware
I am aware of the problem, why not send any patch .
But it seemed important to inform the work I did in case the application
mantiners somehow wanted to use it as this is the version that is used on
all machines of Ceibal after passing the Activity Central testing makes
before entering the applicat
Hi Flavio,
I am maintaining TamTam suite right now.
While I appreciate your work, you are doing it again difficult for a
maintainer work with you.
I have talked about this in other opportunities, then you already know it.
You have decided important changes without trying to ask the opinion of the
Can you explain why you needed to create a separate activity for each type
of hardware?
On 16 November 2013 01:02, Flavio Danesse wrote:
> *I wanted to inform maintainers TamTam :*
>
> These last few days I've added a little love to TamTamMini.
>
> This is an application that has been added Ceib
On 16 November 2013 10:23, David Farning wrote:
> > TamTamMini separated from other Suite applications, deleting files that
> were
> > not used.
> > I deleted the images were not used or those that were not necessary.
> > Corrected, I simplified and cleaned up the code.
> >
> > As a result , the a
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Flavio Danesse
wrote:
> I wanted to inform maintainers TamTam :
>
> These last few days I've added a little love to TamTamMini.
>
> This is an application that has been added Ceibal instruments and small
> arrangements over the years, but for various reasons, chang
*I wanted to inform maintainers TamTam :*
These last few days I've added a little love to TamTamMini.
This is an application that has been added Ceibal instruments and small
arrangements over the years, but for various reasons, changes were never
implemented in the official repository, so that at
Hi Jonas!
Not yet. Well, i reported the problems to a friend who is doing
package maintainance for debian. I thought he could sort the
problem and give advice for further actions. Unfortunately i
didn't hear back from him.
Furthermore i posted the log file in the ubuntu forums:
http://ubuntuforums
Hi Andrea,
On Fri, Apr 01, 2011 at 11:13:41AM +0200, Andrea Mayr wrote:
Two years ago i tried so hard to get it running (on debian), but
failed.
Did you ever try report to Debian the problems you encountered?
- Jonas
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python-related version incompatibilites?
Others with more expertise than I should address this possibility.
Art Hunkins
- Original Message -
From: "Andrea Mayr"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 5:13 AM
Subject: [Sugar-devel] tamtammini-57.xo, csound and ubuntu
Hi!
I am put
Hello Andrea,
Yes this is the correct place to ask.
I have the exact same problem on my machine with Trisquel 10.04.
I've looked and there isnt a bug report so I made one:
http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2744
I've put you on CC so you get news on it.
Thanks for the report!
El 01/04/11 04:13,
Hi!
I am putting together an Ubuntu based Live-System for Kids from 6
to 12 years. I am exited that sugar is available as a package for
installation within Ubuntu now. Two years ago i tried so hard to
get it running (on debian), but failed. Most of the activities
are now running without problems
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