Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-28 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote:  - hitting brightness down one more time when at level 0 will    switch to mono.  users that use auto-repeat to get there probably    won't see a difference. ... - sunlight-driven auto-turnoff will go all the way to 0, but

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-28 Thread Paul Fox
martin wrote: On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: - hitting brightness down one more time when at level 0 will switch to mono. users that use auto-repeat to get there probably won't see a difference. as discussed on this thread on friday (i think),

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Paul Fox
bert wrote: Today is a sunny day in cold Germany, unlike in the first half of the week. So I took the 1.75 outside. IMHO the auto-off is fine as implemented in os12. Not distracting at all. Someone suggested turning it back on quicker, I tried that (replaced brightness_ramp with

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Gary Martin
Hi Paul, On 24 Nov 2011, at 15:09, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: Today is a sunny day in cold Germany, unlike in the first half of the week. So I took the 1.75 outside. IMHO the auto-off is fine as implemented in os12. Not distracting at all. Someone suggested turning it back on

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.11.2011, at 16:09, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: Today is a sunny day in cold Germany, unlike in the first half of the week. So I took the 1.75 outside. IMHO the auto-off is fine as implemented in os12. Not distracting at all. Someone suggested turning it back on quicker, I tried

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Paul Fox
bert wrote: On 24.11.2011, at 16:09, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: Today is a sunny day in cold Germany, unlike in the first half of the week. So I took the 1.75 outside. IMHO the auto-off is fine as implemented in os12. Not distracting at all. Someone suggested

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Kevin Gordon
I too will test this weekend. Silly q: should I test both sugar and gnome, or just sugar? KG On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: bert wrote: On 24.11.2011, at 16:09, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: Today is a sunny day in cold Germany, unlike in the

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Paul Fox
kevin wrote: I too will test this weekend. Silly q: should I test both sugar and gnome, or just sugar? by all means, try both. it should work on VT console screens, too. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org ___ Sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 24.11.2011, at 17:23, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: So I would rather not add that extra step below 0. okay, i'm fine with that -- i was on the fence. but i think you and gary are saying two slightly different things. you're saying that the manual keypresses shouldn't have an

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-24 Thread Paul Fox
bert wrote: On 24.11.2011, at 17:23, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: So I would rather not add that extra step below 0. okay, i'm fine with that -- i was on the fence. but i think you and gary are saying two slightly different things. you're saying that the manual

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-23 Thread Paul Fox
fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Thanks Paul thanks for testing! The logic appears to be buggy, see #11487: XO-1.75 OS12 backlight is off when you come back inside okay, more testing is needed. as you noted, it's quite hard to tell when it's on and off. i'll see if i can come up with

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-23 Thread forster
fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Thanks Paul thanks for testing! The logic appears to be buggy, see #11487: XO-1.75 OS12 backlight is off when you come back inside okay, more testing is needed. as you noted, it's quite hard to tell when it's on and off. i'll see if i can

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-23 Thread Paul Fox
fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Thanks Paul thanks for testing! The logic appears to be buggy, see #11487: XO-1.75 OS12 backlight is off when you come back inside okay, more testing is needed. as you noted, it's quite hard

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-22 Thread Manuel Quiñones
2011/11/21 Paul Fox p...@laptop.org: i wrote:     please try os12, when available, and see how it feels.   i'm afraid the necessary firmware didn't make the deadline for os12, so you'll need to either wait for os13, or q4c05 firmware, whichever comes first. I think a UI for

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-22 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Martin Langhoff martin.langh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks -- I was one of the early commenters on this. And Paul gave me a, ahem, strong recommendation. All caps. Neon lights, blinking:        TRY IT OUT ON AN XO-1.75 Do it with the 11.3.1/os13 I announced

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-22 Thread forster
Thanks Paul The logic appears to be buggy, see #11487: XO-1.75 OS12 backlight is off when you come back inside As it stands, neither the monochrome nor colour modes are OK in full sunlight. The colour mode causes a significant loss of resolution for reading small black text and even more

[Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Fox
this note is kind of long for what seems like a simple feature, but there are some complications i'd like feedback on. i've implemented one of the more amusing features of the 1.75 laptop, which is using its ability to monitor ambient light levels in order to turn off the backlight automatically

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Walter Bender
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: this note is kind of long for what seems like a simple feature, but there are some complications i'd like feedback on. i've implemented one of the more amusing features of the 1.75 laptop, which is using its ability to monitor

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.11.2011, at 15:29, Walter Bender wrote: Paul, Unless the display design is different than it was in 2007, then there is no way to decouple turning off the backlight and going into monochrome. Also, turning on the backlight adds color back (although the amount of color vs monochrome

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.11.2011, at 15:48, Bert Freudenberg wrote: On 21.11.2011, at 15:29, Walter Bender wrote: Paul, Unless the display design is different than it was in 2007, then there is no way to decouple turning off the backlight and going into monochrome. Also, turning on the backlight adds

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Kevin Gordon
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: this note is kind of long for what seems like a simple feature, but there are some complications i'd like feedback on. i've implemented one of the more amusing features of the 1.75 laptop, which is using its ability to monitor

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.11.2011, at 15:22, Paul Fox wrote: it quickly became clear (to me, at least) that it would be confusing if user-dimming behaved differently than auto-backlight-control, with respect to monochrome mode. whether or not it's confusing to the user, it's definitely confusing to the code,

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread C. Scott Ananian
Just to reinforce a few points which maybe might not be clear to people who haven't played with the new hardware: 1) the switch point is set that *you cannot tell when we turn the backlight off*. Ie, the threshold is so high that by the time we turn it off, you couldn't never have told whether

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Fox
walter wrote: Paul, Unless the display design is different than it was in 2007, then there is no way to decouple turning off the backlight and going into monochrome. Also, turning on the backlight adds color back (although the amount of color vs monochrome in the mix is a function

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Fox
kevin wrote: Not sure if I have gleaned all of what is desired here, but I will share my experience. I have a Samsung N130, a Lenovo S10-2, and an Adam Notion Ink all with Pixel Qi screens. Turning the backlight off and automatically being in monochrome is a desired feature and

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Fox
bert wrote: On 21.11.2011, at 15:22, Paul Fox wrote: it quickly became clear (to me, at least) that it would be confusing if user-dimming behaved differently than auto-backlight-control, with respect to monochrome mode. whether or not it's confusing to the user, it's definitely

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Fox
[ resending to cc: the lists ] dj wrote: Can the keyboard backlight control have an extra step at the end, going trom bright to dim to off/color to off/mono ? Then the auto-backlight would be allowed to bring it down to off/color, and the user could go the extra step to off/mono.

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Bert Freudenberg
On 21.11.2011, at 18:06, Paul Fox wrote: bert wrote: On 21.11.2011, at 15:22, Paul Fox wrote: it quickly became clear (to me, at least) that it would be confusing if user-dimming behaved differently than auto-backlight-control, with respect to monochrome mode. whether or not it's

[Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread forster
The shift from colour to monochrome is noticable and would be annoying if it happened a lot, for example as clouds pass, trees and people move. If the hysterisis, the difference between cutin and cutout brightness is large, the change in mode will happen a lot less frequently and not be

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Paul Fox p...@laptop.org wrote: i've already had some guarded negative feedback on both of these new behaviors, so i'm looking for more of that, as well as positive feedback to balance it out.  :-) Hi folks -- I was one of the early commenters on this. And Paul

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, On Mon, Nov 21 2011, Martin Langhoff wrote: Hi folks -- I was one of the early commenters on this. And Paul gave me a, ahem, strong recommendation. All caps. Neon lights, blinking: TRY IT OUT ON AN XO-1.75 And when *pgf* types in all caps, you *know* it's serious. -- Chris Ball

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Chris Ball c...@laptop.org wrote: And when *pgf* types in all caps, you *know* it's serious. :-) -- actually, he didn't go that far. But I lack his subtlety so I went for it guns ablazing. m --  martin.langh...@gmail.com  mar...@laptop.org -- Software

Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control

2011-11-21 Thread Paul Fox
i wrote: please try os12, when available, and see how it feels. i'm afraid the necessary firmware didn't make the deadline for os12, so you'll need to either wait for os13, or q4c05 firmware, whichever comes first. paul =- paul fox, p...@laptop.org