Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-21 Thread Mel Chua
I can understand why a teacher may not be interested in this discussion. Still, the debate is also very relevant. It's about how we're going to address your aunt's concerns. The debate is definitely very relevant, and I'm glad we're having it. Think of it this way: nobody wants to know how

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-21 Thread Mel Chua
There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-) http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick By my count, there are 4 things we need to decide on and then

[Sugar-devel] mirror testing request

2009-09-21 Thread Marten Vijn
Sorry for cross posting... Before announcing it, There is an testing request from Adrian Chadd from CacheBoy.net whois providing these mirror's. This mirror system had global mirror's! So please test these link: http://sugarlabs.cdn.cacheboy.net/ And give mee feedback to me: - how it

[Sugar-devel] more mirrors

2009-09-21 Thread Marten Vijn
Hi, Last saturday I (on EuroBSDcon) was talking with folks for ISC. They be willing to mirror sugar as well. Shall I start working on this? Kind regards, Marten -- Marten Vijn linux 2.0.18 OpenBSD 3.6 FreeBSD 4.6 http://martenvijn.nl http://opencommunitycamp.org http://wifisoft.org

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Debian-olpc-devel] [IAEP] Glucose 0.84 and 0.85 packaged for Debian!

2009-09-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 07:30:07PM -0500, David Farning wrote: A couple of months ago your packaging systems was pretty new and confusing. Yesterday I was able to build test packages for GnewSense and Ubuntu. Pretty Cool. Yeah, that is certainly great news. The failure for some

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 06:41, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: . So, a possible solution could be calling the product marketed by SLs Sugar on a Stick and each individual team and product Fedora Sugar on a

[Sugar-devel] [Karma] agenda for tomorrow's

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
Hey guys, here is the meeting agenda I have come up w/ Feel free to change it http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Karma:Meeting_21_Sep_2009 -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] mirror testing request

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 09:14, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Sorry for cross posting... Before announcing it, There is an testing request from Adrian Chadd from CacheBoy.net whois providing these mirror's. This mirror system had global mirror's! So please test these link:

[Sugar-devel] [Karma] http://www.thatquiz.org

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
Hi, a reader in olpc-sur is suggesting the Karma team to give a look to http://www.thatquiz.org. Just downloaded a page and seems to run well offline. The author is Andrew Lyczak who worked as a teacher in rural Nepal: http://www.lyczak.com/andrew/resume/resume.html Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:30, Mel Chua meta...@gmail.com wrote: There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my apologies - and it's a wiki, so go fix it. ;-)

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Systems] 11s ap's

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 09:35, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: Hi, FreeBSD 8.0 shipping 802.11s support. As soon I have time (not in the next 2 weeks) 'll start testing. OLPC's mesh standard is (not tested) probably not standard or compatible. If the XO's are not compatible, is

[Sugar-devel] [Karma] raphaeljs more active than we thought

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
raphaeljs is actually a lot more active than we thought. Most of the commits happend on 1.0 branch and not master. http://github.com/DmitryBaranovskiy/raphael/commits/1.0 unfortunately, it still appears that all commits have been made by one author :( i am working my way thru the reference

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Feature Freeze] request for exception for Turtle Art

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 17:49, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote: I made a somewhat invasive change to Turtle Art in order to make the toolbars backward compatible with Sugar 0.82-0.84. Essentially, I catch an exception when trying to create a ToolbarBox. In the exception handler, I

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] 2 idea's to train people dyslexia

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 09:56, Marten Vijn i...@martenvijn.nl wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 09:34 +0200, Marten Vijn wrote: Hi, I am not a dyslexia expert, maybe a bit more that average. idea 1 Today I read in a newspaper that it helps people to let them hear what they (words not the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] impressed by SVGWeb, so far

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 17:41 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote: I haven't done a example animation w/ svgweb yet but color me impressed! hm, the more I look at it the more it seems that the svg web project page shows off the power of regular svg and doesn't provide high-level drawing functions like

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] http://www.thatquiz.org

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 10:55 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, a reader in olpc-sur is suggesting the Karma team to give a look to http://www.thatquiz.org. Just downloaded a page and seems to run well offline. The author is Andrew Lyczak who worked as a teacher in rural Nepal:

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] http://www.thatquiz.org

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 16:25, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 10:55 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, a reader in olpc-sur is suggesting the Karma team to give a look to http://www.thatquiz.org. Just downloaded a page and seems to run well offline. The author is

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 10:14 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso escribió: Yes, the most obvious path is to be based on the next CentOS major release, which in turn will be based on Fedora 11 (AFAIK). Switching to other distros with LTS is of course possible but then it will be most probably carried out

Re: [Sugar-devel] How to add karma api to api.sugarlabs.org?

2009-09-21 Thread David Farning
I finally looked at the api.sugarlabs.org code last night. It looks pretty straight forward to add karma to api.sl.org. We will need to: 1. add a clause to the api build script to build the karma html docs with jsdocs 2. Add a landing page so users can chose either sugar, karama, apis. 3.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] http://www.thatquiz.org

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 16:29 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 16:25, Bryan Berry br...@olenepal.org wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 10:55 +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: Hi, a reader in olpc-sur is suggesting the Karma team to give a look to http://www.thatquiz.org. Just

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-21 Thread David Farning
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 3:37 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:30, Mel Chua meta...@gmail.com wrote: There's a lot going on in this thread, so here is my attempt to summarize discussions so far. If I've missed or misstated anything, my apologies - and it's

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Debian-olpc-devel] [IAEP] Glucose 0.84 and 0.85 packaged for Debian!

2009-09-21 Thread David Farning
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:51 AM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote: On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 07:30:07PM -0500, David Farning wrote: A couple of months ago your packaging systems was pretty new and confusing.  Yesterday I was able to build test packages for GnewSense and Ubuntu.  Pretty

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-21 Thread Philippe Clérié
For long-term security and support, we could adopt the Linux model: push this concern down to the distributors and let them do a profitable business out of it. This creates a sustainable market for Sugar. Linux distributors who have successfully built a reputation for offering good

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] raphaeljs more active than we thought

2009-09-21 Thread Felipe López Toledo
this is the official dojo.gfx documentation: http://docs.dojocampus.org/dojox/ghttp://docs.dojocampus.org/dojox/gfx/#id25 fx I have not found a great great tutorial, but here are some examples: http://download.dojotoolkit.org/release-1.0.2/dojo-release-1.0.2/dojox/gfx/demos/circles.html

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] SoaS: Searching for Decision Panel volunteers.

2009-09-21 Thread David Nalley
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 5:18 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: As a parallel, Linux Caixa Mágica is the name for a product, Caixa Mágica Software the name of the company behind it, and its community is called Caixa Mágica Community. Though the community can submit packages for

[Sugar-devel] [GIT] how to add an admin?

2009-09-21 Thread Felipe López Toledo
Hi guys does anyone know how to grant admin/owner privileges on a git project to a contributor user? -- Felipe López Toledo ___ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] 2 idea's to train people dyslexia

2009-09-21 Thread Marten Vijn
Hi Marilyn, What would your feature list be on a small (linux driven) laptop in addition to mine? - audiofeedback (hear what you type (per word basis)) - adapted lessons (multilanguage) for tipptrainer http://freshmeat.net/projects/pingos_tipptrainer/ - may something thats enlarges the cursor

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-21 Thread Sean DALY
Hi Mel that wiki page is helpful To my knowledge, Sugar on a Stick has not been trademarked yet by Sugar Labs; my position is that it should be. Sugar on a Stick is the heart of the Sugar Labs strategy for spreading Sugar use beyond OLPC. Although other technical solutions are promising, at this

Re: [Sugar-devel] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
[cc += mstone] [cc -= everyone else] El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 12:54 -0400, Bill Bogstad escribió: I agree with your statement about security updates being what is desired here However, you can have bugs elsewhere in the stack which can cause problems even if all anyone ever runs directly

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-21 Thread Tomeu Vizoso
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 19:25, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: [cc += mstone] [cc -= everyone else] El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 12:54 -0400, Bill Bogstad escribió: I agree with your statement about security updates being what is desired here   However, you can have bugs elsewhere in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 19:25, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: [cc += mstone] [cc -= everyone else] El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 12:54 -0400, Bill Bogstad escribió: I agree with your statement about security

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-21 Thread Bill Bogstad
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure something like sugar which is (and should be) fast moving mixes well with something like CentOS or its parent. At the beginning of the v6 release cycle begins it will be fine but within 12 months I'm sure

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Bill Bogstad bogs...@pobox.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 4:04 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure something like sugar which is (and should be) fast moving mixes well with something like CentOS or its parent. At the beginning of the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [GIT] how to add an admin?

2009-09-21 Thread Aleksey Lim
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 12:09:53PM -0500, Felipe López Toledo wrote: Hi guys does anyone know how to grant admin/owner privileges on a git project to a contributor user? -- Felipe López Toledo AFAIK in gitorious, only one user can have admin privileges, so you can just pass ownership.

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar (was: slobs... blah blah)

2009-09-21 Thread Bill Bogstad
[trimmed some cc's - they are probably on these lists anyway] On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com wrote: Well it wasn't a royal pain if you didn't have to co-ordinate between about 8 different parties. And most of the the latest releases were in fact defined

Re: [Sugar-devel] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 16:33 -0400, Bill Bogstad escribió: The lack of good dependency reporting and version tracking for Activities makes this difficult. Something like XO bundles could work better for for some scenarios though. If it were on me, I'd just ditch the XO bundle format and

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Chris Ball
Hi, If it were on me, I'd just ditch the XO bundle format and use native packages for each distro. Some are already being packaged, and the Python distutils are capable of producing rpms and debs with the same ease of our current setup.py scripts. But then every child in Uruguay

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Peter Robinson
Hi,   If it were on me, I'd just ditch the XO bundle format and use   native packages for each distro.  Some are already being   packaged, and the Python distutils are capable of producing rpms   and debs with the same ease of our current setup.py scripts. But then every child in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:37:52PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi,   If it were on me, I'd just ditch the XO bundle format and use   native packages for each distro.  Some are already being   packaged, and the Python distutils are capable of producing rpms   and debs with the same

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Peter Robinson
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:14 PM, Bernie Innocenti ber...@codewiz.org wrote: El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 17:28 -0400, Chris Ball escribió: But then every child in Uruguay (plus other deployments that withhold root from their users) would hate you 'cause they wouldn't be able to install activities

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 17:15 -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka escribió: Very good point you make. It gets complicated as the users - kids - have not been shown they get it regarding giving their full name, age and address and some even phone number, so it is unlikely they will deal safely with

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 05:15:31PM -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Hi, TBH I'm not 100% sure on that as I'm not a PackageKit developer but I believe that is addressed by ConsoleKit and as its in use on Fedora and I'm pretty sure Ubuntu and others (and I'm

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:02:55PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: Hi,   If it were on me, I'd just ditch the XO bundle format and use   native packages for each distro.  Some are already being   packaged, and the Python distutils are capable of producing rpms   and debs with the

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:54:09PM +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Martin Dengler mar...@martindengler.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 05:15:31PM -0500, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Chris Ball wrote: Hi,     TBH I'm not 100% sure on that as I'm not a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 23:53 +0100, Martin Dengler escribió: Well I meant precisely what I said (sorry to be pedantic). If one replaces rpms with XO bundles, it's what we have now, and what I think's being proposed to be replaced with rpm/PackageKit. Different versions of Write for

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: Why would we care to have concurrent versions of the same activity for different user accounts? Our computing model is inherently single-user. LTSP. NFS with shared clients. Our computing model is not just OLPC. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:01:13PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 23:47 +0100, Martin Dengler escribió: The whole point of Rainbow is that what I think you're talking about isn't an issue, and it's encouraged that kids share Activities. Eliminating this sharing

Re: [Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Martin Dengler
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 07:06:44PM -0400, Bernie Innocenti wrote: El Mon, 21-09-2009 a las 23:53 +0100, Martin Dengler escribió: Well I meant precisely what I said (sorry to be pedantic). If one replaces rpms with XO bundles, it's what we have now, and what I think's being proposed to be

[Sugar-devel] Sugar Digest 2009-09-21

2009-09-21 Thread Walter Bender
=== Sugar Digest === 1. It was busy week: Simon, Aleksey, Sascha, and Tomeu have been working around the clock on putting the finishing touches on the new 0.86 release of Sugar while Gary has been trying to keep pace with testing and documentation. It is looking great. I kept busy too: chacing a

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] impressed by SVGWeb, so far

2009-09-21 Thread S Page
hm, the more I look at it the more it seems that the svg web project page shows off the power of regular svg ... svg-web is perhaps more focused on cross-browser support. Yes. My understanding is svg-web is mostly a hack to wrap the XML of SVG in a script tag so that the script can make it

[Sugar-devel] Getting around a (sound) device assignment problem in SoaS

2009-09-21 Thread Art Hunkins
For SoaS (Fedora Linux), there remains a problem of device assignment involving audio out and MIDI in. Basically, if you boot SoaS *then* plug in a MIDI controller, audio is assigned C0D0; and MIDI, C1D0 (this is as expected). If you plug in a MIDI controller and then boot SoaS, MIDI gets C0D0

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] Long-term support for Sugar

2009-09-21 Thread Benjamin M. Schwartz
Bernie Innocenti wrote: How does, for instance, Gimp manage to work perfectly on *all* Linux distributions? And how do all the other 19K packages in my distro manage to find *exactly* all the dynamic libraries they need when they are installed? By having distinct packages built separately

Re: [Sugar-devel] Getting around a (sound) device assignment problem in SoaS

2009-09-21 Thread Joshua N Pritikin
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:03:25PM -0400, Art Hunkins wrote: Basically, if you boot SoaS *then* plug in a MIDI controller, audio is assigned C0D0; and MIDI, C1D0 (this is as expected). If you plug in a MIDI controller and then boot SoaS, MIDI gets C0D0 and audio C1D0 (this is *not* as

Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SoaS] The Future of Sugar on a Stick

2009-09-21 Thread Mel Chua
Ok - then the situation is this, then: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Talk%3ASugar_on_a_Stickdiff=37874oldid=37820 It looks like the SoaS team is unblocked - now all that remains is for the SoaS team members to identify themselves (I'd suggest just requesting and joining a separate

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] thinking about knavbar

2009-09-21 Thread roshan karki
Hi, The pages and code looks clean now. Thank you very much. I think I found few bugs there. Please correct me if I am wrong. 1) In http://www.mpavel.ro/projects/Karma/chakra/grade1english.html I can see 5to8 9to12 13to16 17to20 21to24 25to28 29to32 33to36 37to40 41to44 45to48 49to52 in the end

[Sugar-devel] [Karma] using svg together w/ k.library.images

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
It works fine, here is the code I had to add index.html script src=raphael.js/script div id=holder /div lesson.js var r = Raphael(holder, 100, 120); r.image(k.library.images[ball].src, 0, 0, 100, 120); It works nicely except for the fact u have to append .src to images[name] in

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] impressed by SVGWeb, so far

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
On Mon, 2009-09-21 at 19:34 -0700, S Page wrote: hm, the more I look at it the more it seems that the svg web project page shows off the power of regular svg ... svg-web is perhaps more focused on cross-browser support. Yes. My understanding is svg-web is mostly a hack to wrap the XML

Re: [Sugar-devel] [Karma] http://www.thatquiz.org

2009-09-21 Thread Bryan Berry
I have communicated w/ him and unfortunately he is looking to make a business out of thatquiz.org and will not be open-sourcing it :S -- Bryan W. Berry Technology Director OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org ___ Sugar-devel mailing list