I wonder if we should try to use bountysource.com to fund a few things we
consider strategic for Sugar Labs.
Just an idea.
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Top posting again, sorry.
- Future availability of the XO
From my perspective I don't see alternatives to a wait and see approach.
Maybe someone more into OLPC things does though...
- Hardware alternatives
A few good options was brought in the other threads, a couple for
deployments
*
The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know
where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to
choose and implement how to offer Sugar tryout to teachers and journalists.
I can think of a couple of approaches
* Get Sugar running
I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we have a
minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough talk about
this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :)
Though you are right that the Cubox-i might send the wrong message. I was
seeing it more like a
Hi Rogelio,
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Rogelio Mita
rogeliom...@activitycentral.com wrote:
Hi all!,
working with web activities urges me to use CoffeeScript.
- Is there any decision taken on this?
- Do you discussed this topic in some occasion? or is irrelevant?
It appeared a few
On 11/08/2013 03:28 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote:
I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we
have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough
talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :)
Though you are right that the Cubox-i might send
On Fri, 2013-11-08 at 12:28 +0100, Daniel Narvaez wrote:
I don't think we should be suggestive of Sugar on a tablet until we
have a minimally realistic idea of how to get it done. There is enough
talk about this Sugar-on-Android which is not coming... :)
Though you are right that the
First, we need to decide what are those strategic things.
-walter
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:32 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if we should try to use bountysource.com to fund a few things we
consider strategic for Sugar Labs.
Just an idea.
--
Daniel Narvaez
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:33 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Top posting again, sorry.
- Future availability of the XO
From my perspective I don't see alternatives to a wait and see approach.
Maybe someone more into OLPC things does though...
- Hardware alternatives
A few
A bit tricky because we don't have that key anymore (but we could come
up with some other key combination to enable it). Also, are you
planning to use stickers or some other way to add the proper glyths to
the keyboard?
Happy to explore this with you further.
regards.
-walter
On Fri, Nov 8,
Yes, certainly, as seen in the various threads we are still figuring out a
strategy. I brought this up now because the issue of how to resource work
has been coming up a lot in these discussions (and because I just
learned about this service).
On Friday, 8 November 2013, Walter Bender wrote:
At least the virtualbox looks doable and a good way to show Sugar.
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, 7 November 2013, Sean DALY wrote:
The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to
know where we are going
I also think w should change the major number when we have something
different to show (when we achieved the goal)
Gonzalo
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, I now see where I was confused... Normally in developer versioning
you bump the major
Hi,
I think it's wrong to bump marketing version numbers on acount of
technology shifts.
I don't see how i'ts relevant for users that we switched to GTK3, or
even that it is now
possible to build native web activities (it was always possible with a
wrapper).
I see as a much more interesting
I think is a interesting development, but also I am worried about include
more C code in the toolkit.
The true is we don't have enough expertise in the community.
By example we have a error closing sugar [1]
I am pretty sure is related to one part of code in C, but was not able to
solve it,
and
Hi Walter
We don't have plans to use stickers at the moment. The stickers won't last
long in the hands of kids. But we need to have some mechanism to input
Nepali characters. For now we can give them a printout of the keyboard
layout.
Regards,
Basanta
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:58 PM, Walter
thanks for that Sebastian
We haven't had a marketing version number until now (excepting SoaS v1 in
2009 which we implied in our communications was v1), so from a marketing
perspective the only question is whether to go v2 or v3. I don't have a
strong opinion, but the key is that a marketing
Activity Homepage:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/addon/4201
Sugar Platform:
0.96 - 0.100
Download Now:
http://activities.sugarlabs.org/downloads/file/28818/write-94.xo
Release notes:
*Improved startup time
Sugar Labs Activities
http://activities.sugarlabs.org
Not only doable, has been done for some time now [1,2] and is
multi-platform ( what I use to demo Sugar on a Mac)
The Oracle PUEL license [3] very interestingly permits free redistribution
for educational purposes, opening the possibility of a single installer,
ideal for our needs.
In the past I
What about a virtual touch keyboard layout? Just wondering?
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Basanta Shrestha
basanta.shres...@olenepal.org wrote:
Hi Walter
We don't have plans to use stickers at the moment. The stickers won't last
long in the hands of kids. But we need to have some mechanism
David - what I meant was, no strategic partnership between the distros.
Ubuntu wouldn't pose so many difficulties if M. Shuttleworth/Canonical got
behind Sugar for example.
Sean
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com
wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:07
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
Not only doable, has been done for some time now [1,2] and is multi-platform
( what I use to demo Sugar on a Mac)
The Oracle PUEL license [3] very interestingly permits free redistribution
for educational purposes, opening
I believe Oracle GPL'd the code itself, as I remember it was the extension
pack installer that had licensing issues... in any case, topics for the
SFC to help with
Sean
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 3:40 PM, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.comwrote:
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Sean DALY
I knew it's possible to run Sugar in VirtualBox. I didn't know we was
producing vmdk images, I remember Peter was opposed to that. With those
images, is the installation one-click (reasonably close to it) assuming you
have virtualbox already installed?
The wiki page is terribly complicated...
On
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:56 AM, David Farning
dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote:
The highest rate of progress happens when the parties focus on getting
ahead of the other guys rather then when they focus on holding others
back. Progress tends to stop when one party gets so far ahead that it
On 11/8/2013 6:55 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote:
I knew it's possible to run Sugar in VirtualBox. I didn't know we was
producing vmdk images, I remember Peter was opposed to that. With
those images, is the installation one-click (reasonably close to
it) assuming you have virtualbox already
On 8 Nov 2013, at 14:24, Chris Leonard cjlhomeaddr...@gmail.com wrote:
What about a virtual touch keyboard layout? Just wondering?
FWIW: I'm pretty sure (check [1] [2]) that Nepali layouts were not part of
the Maliit set I was asked to work on for the XO-4 touch keyboard layouts. It's
been
2013/11/8 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org
Hi Rogelio,
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Rogelio Mita
rogeliom...@activitycentral.com wrote:
Hi all!,
working with web activities urges me to use CoffeeScript.
- Is there any decision taken on this?
- Do you discussed this topic in some
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Basanta Shrestha
basanta.shres...@olenepal.org wrote:
But for XO-4 we will just be getting ones with English layout. I was
wondering how we can enable nepali keyboard input on it.
Are these keyboards hard/clicky/high-school style, or soft/membrane?
Daniel
We use webkitgtk 2.0.4. It's a few months old, I wonder if it would work in
2.2.x.
On Friday, 8 November 2013, Rogelio Mita wrote:
2013/11/8 Manuel Quiñones ma...@laptop.org javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'ma...@laptop.org');
Hi Rogelio,
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Rogelio Mita
Do we really need a single installer? I mean I see it would be ideal but it
feels like it might be tricky licensing, implementation and maintenance
wise.
From what I understand from Thomas, after installing VirtualBox, it's just
downloading and clicking on an icon (I should really try it but I'm
I believe Basanta said that they were the hard click keyboards
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Basanta Shrestha
basanta.shres...@olenepal.org wrote:
But for XO-4 we will just be getting ones with English layout. I was
On 11/8/2013 8:49 AM, Daniel Narvaez wrote:
Do we really need a single installer? I mean I see it would be ideal
but it feels like it might be tricky licensing, implementation and
maintenance wise.
From what I understand from Thomas, after installing VirtualBox, it's
just downloading and
2013/11/8 Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
We use webkitgtk 2.0.4. It's a few months old, I wonder if it would work
in 2.2.x.
Thanks Daniel, I'll do some research on those WebKitGTK versions about
sourcemap.
On Friday, 8 November 2013, Rogelio Mita wrote:
2013/11/8 Manuel Quiñones
Of course it doesn't stop us from marketing, but it adds two extra hurdles
for teachers to deal with (the GPL VirtualBox installer + the PUEL
extension pack necessary for passthrough USB support). So techies won't
care, but I guarantee a percentage of teachers will. It's a well-documented
axiom of
There are many issues in Sugar regarding performance,
but one of the more visible to the user is how much time the activities
take to start. This is not so evident in newer hardware,
but is important in XO-1. Is so important than by example, Peru will use
sugar 0.94
instead of a newer because o
cc'ing Marketing as well.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis
mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote:
The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know
where we are going to communicate effectively. In particular, we need to
choose and implement how to offer
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Sameer Verma sve...@sfsu.edu wrote:
cc'ing Marketing as well.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:50 AM, Yioryos Asprobounitis
mavrot...@yahoo.com wrote:
The larger problem is the absence of a marketing strategy, we need to know
where we are going to communicate
Of course I agree with you that less barriers the better but I think we
need to pick our battles. With current state of the downloads page I'd
expect the conversion rate to near the 0%. It takes a *lot* of extra clicks
to achieve the same.
I propose that we
* Rewrite the downloads page offering
Getting Sugar to run on a Nexus 7 is relatively simple, making it usable
enough would likely be a lot of work but it should be possible. But, as far
as I know, we have no idea of how get around the rooting, making it a
viable solution for deployments. Until we figure that out IMO it doesn't
make
We need to figure out why this is happening. It doesn't make any sense to
me that avoiding the evince lib import would save 13 seconds. You could
write a minimal test case, importing Gtk first, then time the Evince
import. If it takes a long time in the testcase too you could strace it to
see wtf
What do you mean with gstreamer initialisation btw? Just the import? That
would be even more surprising because the shell is importing it too and
hence the shared library should be in memory already.
On Friday, 8 November 2013, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
There are many issues in Sugar regarding
Another interesting test would be to import the same library using static
bindings and gi, comparing the time.
Btw for reliable timing you want to drop the kernel memory cache before
each start
http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_vm_drop_caches.html
On Friday, 8 November 2013, Gonzalo Odiard
To clarify, despite my disliking of inline imports, if it's the only way to
get this kind of performance enanchements we should obviously do it... I
feel we should understand what is going on though, if it's something we can
fix more generally it will help also with all the other gi imports and it
Well, I followed the steps in:
http://developer.sugarlabs.org/dev-environment.md.html
And I could never go to the following:
flavio @ flavio-Aspire-5735: ~ / Documents / Sugar $. / osbuild pull
= Setup the host build system =
* Create the python virtualenv
* Install python packages
* Pull
Hi,
it's doing a 280M download there, so it can take a while depending on your
connection. You can watch progress in another terminal by doing
tail -f build/logs/broot.log
(A patch to documentation to explain this is being reviewed).
On 8 November 2013 21:40, Flavio Danesse
Even more confused now...
The two evince imports you are moving doesn't even cause the dynamic
library to be loaded, so they should have absolutely no performance impact.
That's the normal case in gobject-introspection, libraries are loaded
lazily, when you try to use one of the functions.
Gtk
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
David - what I meant was, no strategic partnership between the distros.
Ubuntu wouldn't pose so many difficulties if M. Shuttleworth/Canonical got
behind Sugar for example.
In my conversations with Shuttleworth and Redhat they
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm not quit convinced about the implementation, this really feels like
something that should be stored in gconf/gsettings rather than using a dbus
method. Might be a good idea to use gsettings directly here because it's
Daniel - you mean the main download page [1], right? Not the VirtualBox
page [2]?
These and other wiki pages are indeed long and complex. We could break
those out into a dozen subpages to keep each one manageable. This problem
was meant to be solved by the new website template designed to replace
Hi,
I just see the sugar-emulator-0.98 package on my Ubuntu 14.04 and try to
install.First, I want to say that it needs python-sugar3 as a
dependency..This is the error that I get when try to launch it. Any ideas?
alan@alan-pc:~/.sugar$ sugar-emulator Initializing built-in extension Generic
libxklavier gir is either missing or too old. sugar should depend on it.
On 8 November 2013 23:27, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.comwrote:
Hi,
I just see the sugar-emulator-0.98 package on my Ubuntu 14.04 and try to
install.
First, I want to say that it needs python-sugar3 as a
An observation, from the outside, about marketing discussions.
Several times over the last couple of days a number of marketing
related posts have started, I think we should Another, possibly
more productive approach, might be to engage Sean, the marketing
expert, in a discussion about why he
That error is not relevant, it's basically just exiting. What is before
that?
On 8 November 2013 23:37, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.comwrote:
Ok. I have:
libxklavier16 - 5.2.1-1ubuntu2
And I install:
gir1.2-xkl-1.0
Now, I not receive the error of Xkl but Continue with:
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:56 AM, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com
wrote:
The highest rate of progress happens when the parties focus on getting
ahead of the other guys rather then when they focus on holding others
Well, should be good know what is happening, but these are real timings.
I know the theory, and that probably was one of the reasons this was not
done before,
but this was what I found.
Gonzalo
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
Even more confused now...
After launch, appears the window (black background) and appears the sugar mouse
pointer. After, the window closes.The error of dbus no appears ever.. only
sometimes..The tail of the log:
alan@alan-pc:~$ sugar-emulator Initializing built-in extension Generic Event
ExtensionInitializing built-in
Not sure what you are referring to.
Personally I feel like Sean has already justified his positions in a
convincing way. I'm simply trying to come up with a set of concrete
development goals which are realistically achievable.
There has been an years long disconnect between marketing and
The last message looks like it might be relevant but I can't quite parse
that spanish.
On 9 November 2013 00:00, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.comwrote:
After launch, appears the window (black background) and appears the sugar
mouse pointer. After, the window closes.
The error of
It's not just theory, I verified importing evince doesn't even cause the
library to be loaded. I don't have a XO 1 to check what is going on myself,
unfortunately.
My suggestion is to *not* checkin this kind of workaround without any clue
about why the change helps, and especially to *not*
Oh I see, the 11 is not spanish :) It's a segfault.
Does Xephyr run standalone? If it does, I suppose it's sugar crashing, you
would need to run inside gdb to get more info.
On 9 November 2013 00:05, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
The last message looks like it might be relevant
Yes, I can run: Xephyr :30 without problems..
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 00:40:31 +0100
From: dwnarv...@gmail.com
To: alan...@hotmail.com
CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-emulator 0.98
Oh I see, the 11 is not spanish :) It's a segfault.
Does Xephyr run standalone?
In conjunction the with Sugar Roadmap thread I would like to bring up
another rather strategic issue. Namely, what role does Sugar Labs want
to play in the ecosystem.
The question become important because at this point Sugar Labs is the
closest thing the ecosystem has to a gravitational center.
I don't know how you could run sugar inside gdb exactly. Last time I had a
segfault at startup I resorted to a bunch of prints to figure out which
line was crashing (sigh). Maybe try something like this
Xephyr :100
export DISPLAY=:100
gdb dbus-launch
run sugar
On 9 November 2013 00:43, Alan
IAEP! :)
On 9 November 2013 00:45, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote:
In conjunction the with Sugar Roadmap thread I would like to bring up
another rather strategic issue. Namely, what role does Sugar Labs want
to play in the ecosystem.
The question become important because
Sorry, I forgot about that list.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
IAEP! :)
On 9 November 2013 00:45, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.com
wrote:
In conjunction the with Sugar Roadmap thread I would like to bring up
another rather strategic
If these are the SKU 311 units the Manufacturing Data on the wiki implies
they have membrane keyboards.
If so I don't see any reason using the keyboard manufacturing tags used for
previous Nepali manufacturing runs (or used testing out the settings in
/etc/sysconfig/keyboard manually) shouldn't
On 8 November 2013 13:10, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
Classmate and Classmate variants are already quick wide spread in some
deployments, e.g., Argentina
I wonder if we should try to get some classmates in the hands of Sugar Labs
community members. It seems like the most
FYI: sugar build works fine..
I try remove the ~/.sugar folder and I can select the sugar icon color!But
after.. it mantain the black background without any progress.
I check the shell.log and I get:
1383955588.869857 ERROR root: Could not find any typelib for GtkSourceTraceback
(most recent
Haha, no, it was meant to be an answer to your question... It's an
education project.
On 9 November 2013 01:03, David Farning dfarn...@activitycentral.comwrote:
Sorry, I forgot about that list.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com
wrote:
IAEP! :)
On 9
It's sort of worrying that using an old profile causes a crash.
Yes, that's a missing dependency (please report all of those to launchpad).
http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/gir1.2-gtksource-3.0
On 9 November 2013 01:20, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn alan...@hotmail.comwrote:
FYI: sugar build
I install that and now it works perfectly!
Lot of thanks!!!
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 01:25:37 +0100
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] sugar-emulator 0.98
From: dwnarv...@gmail.com
To: alan...@hotmail.com
CC: sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
It's sort of worrying that using an old profile causes a crash.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8 November 2013 13:10, Walter Bender walter.ben...@gmail.com wrote:
Classmate and Classmate variants are already quick wide spread in some
deployments, e.g., Argentina
I wonder if we should try to get some
2013/11/6 Flavio Danesse fdane...@gmail.com
Thanks Daniel , I'll try again.
I tried on several occasions to contribute in this way, but I see two
problems :
Generally not work in ubuntu and has the disadvantage that you can not
prove what you do on the xo .
The other problem is the time of
They are hard/clicky ones.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Daniel Drake d...@laptop.org wrote:
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Basanta Shrestha
basanta.shres...@olenepal.org wrote:
But for XO-4 we will just be getting ones with English layout. I was
wondering how we can enable nepali
Can you explain me how you verified the library was not loaded?
Gonzalo
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Daniel Narvaez dwnarv...@gmail.com wrote:
It's not just theory, I verified importing evince doesn't even cause the
library to be loaded. I don't have a XO 1 to check what is going on
In my system, using
strace -e trace=open,close,read,write,connect,accept -p pid
in another terminal, when I do:
from gi.repository import EvinceDocument
I see:
open(gi.so, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open(gimodule.so, O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No
Does anyone else want to add their thoughts on:
1. What is the future availability of XO hardware? What are the
alternatives? What hardware choices are deployments going to make for
their next and future rounds of purchasing.
2. How effectively does Sugar run on the available hardware options?
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